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The "Spear" tackle and its context in AFL footy.
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Due to the speed and nature of our game it is nigh on impossible to lay one anyway .
A player has to be virtually stationary when tackled and usually there are 2-3 blokes actually involved .
90 percent of tackles layed in our game are when players are running flat out .... trying picking up a bloke one out spinning him 180 degrees and ploughing him head first into the cooch , in those circumstances ....not very easy
A player has to be virtually stationary when tackled and usually there are 2-3 blokes actually involved .
90 percent of tackles layed in our game are when players are running flat out .... trying picking up a bloke one out spinning him 180 degrees and ploughing him head first into the cooch , in those circumstances ....not very easy
from a rules perspective hamill did nothing wrong. the tackle was below the shoulder , above the knees and didn't push him in the back. the only queery you could ask is that during the tackle he body slammed him into the turf. under the current interpretations you couldn't touch him and i don't think he will get a please explain from the tribunral.
phantom ,spear tackles are covered by unduly rough play, and i belive there has only been one case in the last 3 or 4 years in the afl.
on the week end at an o&m 3rds match a myrtleford player ( 178cm & 70 kg )
was tackled by a yarrawonga player ( 160 cm & 40 kg ) . the tackle was legal but because the players arms were pinned he hit the ground face first and was serverly concussed. he was subsiquently taken to melbourne for treatment.
some times due to unusual circumstances servre injuries occour in our game
during legal passages of play . as regretable as these are they are very rare and we shouldn't alter our rules to cover these blue moon incidents.
phantom ,spear tackles are covered by unduly rough play, and i belive there has only been one case in the last 3 or 4 years in the afl.
on the week end at an o&m 3rds match a myrtleford player ( 178cm & 70 kg )
was tackled by a yarrawonga player ( 160 cm & 40 kg ) . the tackle was legal but because the players arms were pinned he hit the ground face first and was serverly concussed. he was subsiquently taken to melbourne for treatment.
some times due to unusual circumstances servre injuries occour in our game
during legal passages of play . as regretable as these are they are very rare and we shouldn't alter our rules to cover these blue moon incidents.
The only problem that I saw with the Hamill tackle is that he did nothing to check his forward momentum after making it. He knew that Schulz would fall forward and he basically kept pushing in that direction, knowing that Schulz would wear the contact with the ground and break Hamil's own fall.
I would have paid a push in the back, to be honest. This is not text book tackling, by a long shot. The correct technique for tackling from behind is to grab the player hard, pin the arms if possible, hold on with strength, drop to your knees and roll sideways slightly. This prevents the tackle being seen as a push in the back. It also means that the other guy has a fighting chance of playing next week. Hamill did the first bits, but not the last.
Hence, the Hamill is a thug theory.
As far as spear tackles are concerned, AFL does not lend itself to them because most tackling is from behind, or side on. Because every one is after the ball, they are generally travelling in more or less the same direction. Players usually bump rather than tackle if their directions of traval are too different.
In Thugby, a lot of tackling is the result of players travelling in opposite directions, at pace. If the tackler is strong enough, the opponent's momentum propels the tackle-ee forward, and up go the legs. AFL would deal with it through the Unduly rough play clause, loosely translated as "anything that makes a mother of football-age playing boys wince will earn a long holiday."
I would have paid a push in the back, to be honest. This is not text book tackling, by a long shot. The correct technique for tackling from behind is to grab the player hard, pin the arms if possible, hold on with strength, drop to your knees and roll sideways slightly. This prevents the tackle being seen as a push in the back. It also means that the other guy has a fighting chance of playing next week. Hamill did the first bits, but not the last.
Hence, the Hamill is a thug theory.
As far as spear tackles are concerned, AFL does not lend itself to them because most tackling is from behind, or side on. Because every one is after the ball, they are generally travelling in more or less the same direction. Players usually bump rather than tackle if their directions of traval are too different.
In Thugby, a lot of tackling is the result of players travelling in opposite directions, at pace. If the tackler is strong enough, the opponent's momentum propels the tackle-ee forward, and up go the legs. AFL would deal with it through the Unduly rough play clause, loosely translated as "anything that makes a mother of football-age playing boys wince will earn a long holiday."
great tackle. feel realy really sorry for Jay - but that's footy.
also admired hamill's concern for Jay once he realised he was hurt. he supported his face and waved for the trainer.
also admired hamill's concern for Jay once he realised he was hurt. he supported his face and waved for the trainer.
Phantom said:
Im getting really sick and tired of people targetting hammils tackle. In my opinion, it was a fair and square tackle and sarges head and shoulder hit the ground at full pelt whilst on the run. His opponent had no other option but to fall on top of him. Id like to see the reaction on these boards if the roles were reversed. "Great tackle by the sarge" would have been the response.
I, though born in Melbourne, was brought up in N.S.W.
I have always played Rugby League.
A spear tackle involves hitting a player front-on (while in a crouching) position in the stomach with your shoulder, the arm on your hitting shoulder wraps around your opponents back your non-hitting arm grabs one or both legs at the knee/thigh. As you hit you lift your opponent off the ground by moving to a standing position.
A spear tackle is difficult to effect due to the timing and momentum required.
imo it is almost impossible to effect in AFL, as players are not running into opponents front on and AFL footballers possess a different skill set.
It is illegal in any case as tackles must be affected between the waist and shoulder in Australian Rules.
I have always played Rugby League.
A spear tackle involves hitting a player front-on (while in a crouching) position in the stomach with your shoulder, the arm on your hitting shoulder wraps around your opponents back your non-hitting arm grabs one or both legs at the knee/thigh. As you hit you lift your opponent off the ground by moving to a standing position.
A spear tackle is difficult to effect due to the timing and momentum required.
imo it is almost impossible to effect in AFL, as players are not running into opponents front on and AFL footballers possess a different skill set.
It is illegal in any case as tackles must be affected between the waist and shoulder in Australian Rules.