There is no future.

[Massai]

Our future lies in the draft and sticking to a plan for building a list without taking any shortcuts. There is no other option.

We have 5-10 yrs of pain ahead of us.

Going to be a big year for CC and the list management team. They have to be brutal at years end and cut anyone they think won't be part of the team in 3+ years.

Anyone who thinks the draft will help us had better think again. There was an article yesterday in the "The Age" or "The Australian" where all the AFL clubs recruiters etc attended a presentation at RMIT University hosted by Champion Data. Champion Data had gone thru all the previous drafts to see how much of an impact the drafted players have made on the game.

Their finding was that only in the first round did you have any real idea of just how well a prospective draftee may play. After that second round and beyond its like Tattslotto, a lottery, you think you've got a possible player and so far that has not been the case.

The article went to say that with Gold Coast and Western Sydney coming in, the current AFL clubs that are struggling, will struggle even more because both these two new clubs will get priority picks, plus first round drafts, plus uncontracted AFL players from each current AFL club to make up their playing lists. That means the AFL clubs that are now struggling will continue to struggle for possibly another 10 years, Richmond are in that category well and truly and that is not a pretty thought.

 

[Rosy]

Their finding was that only in the first round did you have any real idea of just how well a prospective draftee may play. After that second round and beyond its like Tattslotto, a lottery, you think you've got a possible player and so far that has not been the case.

We don't get it too right with our first round picks. We have a pretty bad success rate in recent years with a few players that come to mind. Lids is the only one who is anything other than a bit player. Cotch has great potential but it's hard to include him as elite for the club until we actually see how he performs (or is demoralised) out there. Maybe it's not just picking the players but developing and building their confidence etc once they arrive. It would be interesting to see how Fiora, Pettifer, JON, Tambo etc would have performed if they'd been drafted by clubs other than Richmond.

 

[tigerinthetank2]

Safe to say that JON wouldnt be drafted by anyone :spin

 

[Tigerhart04]

C'mon guys and gals of course we have a future, this is the Richmond Football Club. We will be a power again. (Read too many Hypoxic threads :hihi)

But seriously,

We do have a core group of players who we can build a team around, however we are going to suffer more pain again for a while yet. What frustrates us as supporters more than anything else IMO, is the total obvious lack of any resemblance of a game plan. To hear the crowd laughing at our hopelessness started off being embarrassing, but in the end you just had to join in. ;D

I've been a TW supporter to a point and put a fair part of the blame for our performances on the playing group. I've never played at anywhere elite level, just a suburban footy club many years ago, but I can't remember ever running on to a ground and if it things were getting hot that the mindset of the team went into that *smile*, farcical, round and round the merry go round crap that was on display yesterday from players at the elite level.

Look at the first quarter yesterday, we backed each other, we ran and we looked semi reasonable, our best first quarter for the year. 2nd quarter the Lions show a bit of spirit and our whole team falls apart as a team, excluding a couple of individuals. How does that happen ? It escapes me how the confidence level evaporates into nothing within minutes.

Not for one second are these players playing together as a team, they're pretty much all looking after their own careers whilst TW's goes down the toilet and that blame lies solely with him and his assistants, plus the phsyc and a couple of others. Where is the leadership Terry? you have moulded this group into what we saw yesterday and for a bloke who took pride in his playing days, I'm gobsmacked that you cannot get these guys to raise the bar when the heat is on.

The trouble is I can't see anyone at the club standing up and taking responsibility and saying that is enough. "The buck stops with me, but by god I am going to stop this rot"

C'mon RFC we are imploding again as we have done for the last 3 decades. Will somebody please stand up? C'mon Tiges there is a future, we have just enough to work with, but yesterday showed we need a tough no nonsense coaching team with a senior coach who can inspire the team ala Northey from a confidence point of view.

If someone/some group makes a stand we will have a future, if nobody grabs the bit between the teeth and acts then I agree we may be in trouble. God I hope not.

GO Tigers!!!

EDIT>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still sound like Hypoxic

 

[Azza]

ya know bunnerz i agree it really worries me to see so many without hope. its one thing to realise where we are at and accept it its another to just give up. i get the feeling so many are just giving up god knows ive felt like it myself on more than one occasion in recent yrs.
i think this review thats coming just has to be got right if we get things terribly wrong from now on i get the feeling we could be in real strife. without doubt we have some tough yrs ahead but the club must be able to clearly map the direction we have to take and clearly show it to the supporters. open honest accountable and bloody minded in the goal of achieving success. now more than ever we have to put the right processses in place and stick to them.

Yegods, Claws post one of the most optimistic on here! Just goes to show, the imposssible CAN happen. I'm feeling better already.

 

[tigertim]

Of course there is a future but yet again it's at least 5 years away, probably longer. It's a bit like chasing the rainbow isn;t it? It looks like you're there and then you realise it's still in front of you.

The recruiting philosophy MUST change! Skills, skills and more skills! Not promise, not athletism, not a good attitude, not determination...skills!

If another club could pick the cream of the crop out of our list who they really pick? Deledio, Foley, Cotchin and who else? It's a sad state of affairs for the RFC.

 

[doherz]

I'm sure this web site will over load shortly, as PreEnders return from the game.

Yet - I also wonder why we bother.

Today was it - the end of 2009.

Not because of mathematical reasons why we can't make the eight - but rather - the reality that the playing list is every bit as bad as we feared.

How funny that people have called for Richo's sacking - when today what I would have given to see him on the ground.

Let's face facts.

Yes FACTS - the following players are not up to competitive AFL level:

Shultz, Riedwoldt, JON, Polo, EDWARDS!!! (King, Hughes, Raines)

But more sadly - there is a huge group of players that try hard - occasionally make a great play - but at the end of the day, they will never amount to much:

Jackson, Tuck, (Simmonds), White, (Bowden), Collins, Deledio (just doesn't do enough!!), NEWMAN! (Brown), (Johnson)

Based on today (and the last few weeks) who has potential/can play the game:

Graham, Naha's (Cousins!!!), Tambling (TBC)

Anyhow ..................

Claw and many others will scream for scalps, and talk about rebuidling - but when it boils down to it - 10 years of recruiting Deledio, Tambling, Riedwoldt (and other high picks) has achieved nothing.

Absolutely nothing.

Who can come in???

Cotchin (YES) ......... Pettifer!!! King!!! Raines!!!!

Today we saw our future.

We don't have one.

Sacking the coach (which we still must do) will unfortunately achieve nothing.

Going into this game I thought we were still a chance for the eight.

Now,

We must surely be favourites for the wooden spoon.

Of greate concern - I fear where the club goes from here.

:'(

i dont tink all is lost, regarding future. we have a good nucleus of about 10 or so. i believe you will be suprised how quickly things will change when the right people are put in place. so i guess its up to March (fwiw, i would like to see francis jackons go and more staff appointed to development along with additional funding).

but the right coach and game plan will help immensely and return confidence. that is why we need to sack wallace and get a new coach in ASAP. to give the kids some hope and enjoyment. Watch this space.

 

[doherz]

This club is in MASSIVE trouble. The playing list is nothing short of garbage. Mentally soft, physically soft, poorly skilled. With the Gold Coast taking the cream of the drafts from 2010 - 2014 our chances of rebuilding are next to zero. Even if we jag a couple of good picks this year there is no guarantee we will pick decent players with lemons like Cameron and Jackson running the show. Even if they do pick a couple of good players the rancid stench of the development culture at the club will ensure they are infected and gauranteed to fail.

DOOMED!!

the culture is a massive issue. however it can be changed fairly quickly with the right personnel. get a new coach, a young coach who can grow with a young list and you will see results.
Think Pagan, Carlton, Ratten scenario. We saw immediate, medium term and now long term improvements.

 

[The Cotch]

Bullsh** there is no future.

Cotchin, Deledio, Riewoldt, Foley, Coughlan, Collins, Rance, Newman, Edwards, Connors, Post, Vickery, Graham, Nahas, Thursfield, Tambling, Moore, McGuane.

There's probably more. In all the doom and gloom, that is quality batch of young footballers. We have to stick by them and build a club around them.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Yes. I influenced Frank in his first run at it to pick JON, Steamer etc.

I also wanted him to re draft Jughead Bourke, but he wouldn't listen to me on that one.

You must have had some influence as he's now an assistant coach at Coburg isn't he? :hihi

 

[K3]

So do I bother setting the alarm clock for tomorrow? :

 

[TIGERARMY67]

NO SPIRIT!

 

[the claw]

Yegods, Claws post one of the most optimistic on here! Just goes to show, the imposssible CAN happen. I'm feeling better already.

azza i believe in the draft i always have. i recognise the fact that the nd is the only true access a club has to the best kids in the country. weather you believe in the draft process or not this fact does not change you have to make the best of a bad situation. ive seen clubs thru astute drafting perseverence and good recruiting processes reasonably quickly turn things around.
its getting people to accept what must be done thats the hard part. until we embrace the draft and all that goes with this we will struggle.

 

[rockstar_tiger]

If the next planning brainwave doesn't inspire a winning culture, it may be within the realms of possibility that the club is put to the sword.

Will there be 10 teams in Victoria forever?

The Richmond Tigers. Hmmm.

I never thought Hawthorn would push us out of the "big 4" status. It happened quite easily in the end.

 

[Freezer]

And unfortunately that team does not inspire a modicome of excitement. We have NO development at richmond. There is natural individual development but as far as guided, coached and nurtured development THAT has been non-existant for more than 20 years. No other club has had the success of stunting a players development as much as richmond. A truth that the powers that be down the club should hang their collective heads in shame.

Which is why I said:

The key to that future is going to be the staff - recruitment, coaching, development and fitness.

Wholesale changes in all of these departments are required to safeguard that future.