There's no shame in putting in the hard yards at Coburg

[Rosy]

I used to be a bit of a lone hand when I thought Pettifer would benefit from an extended period for Coburg, most thought he'd learn more sitting on the bench in the ones.

I couldn't see how a kid from under 18's could improve when he wasn't getting any touches of the ball or game time. I still reckon he would have been better earlier if he really had to earn a spot.

I feel the same way now about Richie. I don't think it's an insult to him in any way to say I'd like to see him play for Coburg for a period.

Richie has hardly had a full game since he came down from Darwin. I think it would be far more beneficial for his long-term development to adjust to the pace and get touch in the seconds rather than sitting most of a game on the bench.

 

[shawry]

I used to be a bit of a lone hand when I thought Pettifer would benefit from an extended period for Coburg, most thought he'd learn more sitting on the bench in the ones. 

I couldn't see how a kid from under 18's could improve when he wasn't getting any touches of the ball or game time.  I still reckon he would have been better earlier if he really had to earn a spot.

I feel the same way now about Richie.  I don't think it's an insult to him in any way to say I'd like to see him play for Coburg for a period.

Richie has hardly had a full game since he came down from Darwin.  I think it would be far more beneficial for his long-term development to adjust to the pace and get touch in the seconds rather than sitting most of a game on the bench.

I am in total agreeance

 

[TOT70]

Not many AFL players start in the seniors and stay there all their careers. Most players are eased in over their first couple of seasons, getting a taste, consolidation back at the lower level and stepping up again over a period of time. The better players soon find themselves playing seniors regularly but generally have a few games under their belt at the lower level when they start.

For years now, we have put guys like Rodan, Krakouer, Fiora, Pettifer, Hartigan, Roach and now, Deledio and Tambling straight into the seniors. There should be a fair body of evidence to suggest it is generally not a good idea.

Guys like Newman, Hyde and Raines have had to earn a senior spot and have generally come into the team more desperate and better prepared.

Deledio is the obvious exception.

 

[Rosy]

I think the loss of the seconds resulted in a different usage of the reserves. It's pretty rare for players to put in 100 or so reserve games, a la Dipper, Tivva, Andy K etc before they slot into the senior team.

The development of some players is definitely hindered by the change to VFL affilliation.

 

[Djevv]

I used to be a bit of a lone hand when I thought Pettifer would benefit from an extended period for Coburg, most thought he'd learn more sitting on the bench in the ones. 

I couldn't see how a kid from under 18's could improve when he wasn't getting any touches of the ball or game time.  I still reckon he would have been better earlier if he really had to earn a spot.

I feel the same way now about Richie.  I don't think it's an insult to him in any way to say I'd like to see him play for Coburg for a period.

Richie has hardly had a full game since he came down from Darwin.  I think it would be far more beneficial for his long-term development to adjust to the pace and get touch in the seconds rather than sitting most of a game on the bench.

Spot on, Rosy. Richard has never proved himself in a second rung competition (VFL,SANFL,WAFL). NTFL is totally different from what he is faced with in the AFL. At the moment all he is is a kid with talent - no confidence or self-belief to back it up.

You'll find most footballers from the NT who have made it as AFL players have some sort of SANFL or WAFL experience.

 

[TOT70]

I think the loss of the seconds resulted in a different usage of the reserves. It's pretty rare for players to put in 100 or so reserve games, a la Dipper, Tivva, Andy K etc before they slot into the senior team.

The development of some players is definitely hindered by the change to VFL affilliation.

Only to an extent, Rosy.  The players who play 50-100 games at VFL level (or lower) are still coming through, they are just not getting on AFL lists until they are a bit older, that's all.  Recent examples are Josh Gibson, Davey, Dale Morris, Lovett and Lovett-Murray.  What is missing is the U19s comp or the thirds, as it used to be known, where the real talents like Matthew Knights could work their way up the ranks quickly at a young age.  I seem to recall him starting a season at U19s and finishing it with a couple of senior games.  Each step up was the result of good form at the lower level. He came into the senior team confident, knowing that he had played against good players in the reserves.

Deledio and Tambling have had to deal with the pressure straight away, in the public spotlight, as did all the others I mentioned earlier.  It is just too hard get their confidence up and then keep their feet planted firmly on the ground. As a rule, it is better to ease them in when they are ready.

 

[Ridley]

Yeah but lemons like Kellaway, Gaspar, Tivendale, P.Bowden etc get a free ride and never have to spend time at Coburg no matter how crap they play every week??? ??? ???

 

[Rosy]

I'm not mentioning names Riddler but I agree. I long for the day Coburg is used as a coaching tool. I wonder if anyone will go back this week and made to earn their keep. There's nothing like a genuine risk of being dropped to make players put in 100% .
Not one single player should be immune.

 

[TOT70]

Yeah but lemons like Kellaway, Gaspar, Tivendale, P.Bowden etc get a free ride and never have to spend time at Coburg no matter how crap they play every week??? ??? ???

Too true, sadly.  

Moore and Thursfield have a golden opportunity to grab a spot in defence.  Moore is always injured and Thursfield was close to taking it last year when he got injured himself.  They will appreciate it more if they have to earn it.

Tivendale won't get too many more chances but none of the young midfielders have made a compelling case yet.  Hartigan, Jackson or White might claim his spot this season and Oakley-Nicholls should if he is as good as TW and GM think he is.  If Casserly gets fit and steps up then it is bye bye Greggy.

PBowden knows that this is his last season at AFL level if he can't step up.  My view is that even with the rocket he must be carrying he is still a very lazy footballer.  One game could hardly be construed as a free ride, though.  Six might be, unless he can demonstrate that he can win the ball and contribute regularly on the scoreboard.

 

[Ridley]

Well Rosy the whole problem with RFC is the playing list has somehow dodged the knife for 25 years. You can change the coach, change the board, do whatever else you like but if you don't have the cattle you are completely rooted.

The blokes I mentioned, plus numerous others (I'm happy to name them if asked) have been part of the problem for as long as they've been at the club. Big money but small output. I know Patrick Bowden has only just arrived but he is just so typical of the type of loser player that RFC is famous for. If anyone thinks otherwise they are deluded and part of the reason why the RFC is so shithouse every $$*(&^%$ year.

We will never succeed until we address this issue; our list is no bloody good!!!

 

[Ridley]

Yeah but lemons like Kellaway, Gaspar, Tivendale, P.Bowden etc get a free ride and never have to spend time at Coburg no matter how crap they play every week??? ??? ???

One game could hardly be construed as a free ride, though.  

It's a free ride when he somehow waltzs into the side after an unbelievably mediocre 5 years at the Bulldogs :

Oh I forgot, he's a Bowden He must be a gun ???

 

[Jexy]

Yeah but lemons like Kellaway, Gaspar, Tivendale, P.Bowden etc get a free ride and never have to spend time at Coburg no matter how crap they play every week??? ??? ???

One game could hardly be construed as a free ride, though.

It's a free ride when he somehow waltzs into the side after an unbelievably mediocre 5 years at the Bulldogs :

Oh I forgot, he's a Bowden He must be a gun ???

He's only on a one year contract. I'm not crying myself to sleep over it.

 

[Ridley]

Yeah but lemons like Kellaway, Gaspar, Tivendale, P.Bowden etc get a free ride and never have to spend time at Coburg no matter how crap they play every week??? ??? ???

One game could hardly be construed as a free ride, though. 

It's a free ride when he somehow waltzs into the side after an unbelievably mediocre 5 years at the Bulldogs :

Oh I forgot, he's a Bowden He must be a gun ???

He's only on a one year contract. I'm not crying myself to sleep over it.

Typical of the RFC predicament. Would rather play a proven loser than try and develop their own winner.

 

[DragicevicFan]

He's only on a one year contract. I'm not crying myself to sleep over it.

I am.

I cant think of anything worse than seeing him jog around in a Richmond guernsey for the next 21 weeks.

Soft. Slow. Dumb. Unskilled.

 

[Gazza68]

He's only on a one year contract. I'm not crying myself to sleep over it.

I am.

I cant think of anything worse than seeing him jog around in a Richmond guernsey for the next 21 weeks.

Soft. Slow. Dumb. Unskilled.

The sad thing about this, he was one of our better player's against the doggies. Which isn't saying much after that p*ssweak effort on friday night.

 

[Gazza68]

I'm not mentioning names Riddler but I agree. I long for the day Coburg is used as a coaching tool. I wonder if anyone will go back this week and made to earn their keep. There's nothing like a genuine risk of being dropped to make players put in 100% .
Not one single player should be immune.

I totally agree with you on this one Rosy, its about time players start to respect the jumper instead of only worrying about the next contract. If you don't pull your weight, you go down to Coburg until you earn the right to put the tigers jumper back on. I don't care if we are getting beaten week in & week out, until these bludgers appreciate what a privilidge it is to play footy at the highest level. How many kids would'nt kill for the chance to play at the highest level without the worry of how much they will earn.
I think its time for TW to put it too the players, if you insist on playing this level of footy you can go & play elsewhere. I am sick & tired of these insipid efforts, from these so called top level footballers, are we the only club in the last 25 year to accept mediocrity & just continue down the same old path.

 

[Skills]

I used to be a bit of a lone hand when I thought Pettifer would benefit from an extended period for Coburg, most thought he'd learn more sitting on the bench in the ones. 

I couldn't see how a kid from under 18's could improve when he wasn't getting any touches of the ball or game time.  I still reckon he would have been better earlier if he really had to earn a spot.

I feel the same way now about Richie.  I don't think it's an insult to him in any way to say I'd like to see him play for Coburg for a period.

Richie has hardly had a full game since he came down from Darwin.  I think it would be far more beneficial for his long-term development to adjust to the pace and get touch in the seconds rather than sitting most of a game on the bench.

It wont matter Rosy, Tambling will struggle to get the footy at Coburg, just like with Richmond; All that crap about moving to Melb. , having a child & getting a new haircut doesn't work with me - I've seen enough...Tambling is a DUD.

 

[Tigerfan]

as for Coburg,,...those players that were arguing should be sent straight there next week

 

[tha8ball]

I think its time (barring injury) we see Kel Moore and WIly Thurstfield come into te team. Modern football is all about tall runners and those two along with Schulz and possibly McGuane could form our tall running KP backs....throw in the tall but agile JON and its a tall pacy and well skilled back half......no offense but andy kellaway, joel bowden and good ol gas are not what backlines are about now....its not their fault...its football changing. Id like to see Joel play forward...Gas stay at FB and andy kellaway at coburg.

Thursty Gas Moore/Hartigan
Raines Schulz JON