thoughts on the draft

[tigerlove]

Grimes, Grigg, Petterd, Houli, Hampson, Maric, Gordon, Chaplin, Miles, Lloyd, Morris, Foley, Thomas, Hunt.
Enough already.
This time last year we knew we'd be going deep in this draft.
Exactly the right thing to do.

Yep tend to agree, our biggest issue a few years ago was the huge gap between our experienced older players and youngest players, we had virtually no-one in the low 20s range age group when Hardwick took over. We had to address that and have done so with some honest recruiting of 'traded' and 'recycled' players (can be a fine line between these two - Maric for example, couldn't get a regular game for Adelaide but was traded). Generally speaking trading recycled players there is only limited upside as they've already been tried and tested. We're in the right spot now to really up the ante and maximise our chances of finding youngsters with great upside potential to give us 10-12 years of service. The more you pick the more chance of finding them.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Greg Tivendale played 180 odd games as a rookie listed player from u/18's. But I see yor point. Richmond haven't made the best use of rookie list over the years

Didn't Andy Kellaway come off the supplementary list, which kind of morphed into the rookie list? We also got over 100 games out of Jake King, who was another rookie list player.

 

[Scoop]

Biggest thing that I think has been overlooked at the draft is the salary cap repercussions.

This influx of youth comes cheap. Base Wage for a first rounder is 70k plus match payments and it filters down to Reece McKenzie who might be getting a base of 60k. The rookies all get 55k. With Jackson, King and Aaron Edwards going you more than likely have 800k, check in BOH and Helbig and it's around 1.1 free. Pencil in the increases of those that stayed and it leaves more than half of that free. Plus 250k of salary goes from the cap for Newman and Brett Deledio and you have around 1m floating.

The cap in 2015 will be a smudge over $10 mill. You must pay 95% or 9.5 million. I'd suggest that with this draft, we would be paying bang on or slight over that 95%.

For what youth can offer on the ground, it's greatest advantage for contending clubs is the cost.

 

[Willo]

Biggest thing that I think has been overlooked at the draft is the salary cap repercussions.

This influx of youth comes cheap. Base Wage for a first rounder is 70k plus match payments and it filters down to Reece McKenzie who might be getting a base of 60k. The rookies all get 55k. With Jackson, King and Aaron Edwards going you more than likely have 800k, check in BOH and Helbig and it's around 1.1 free. Pencil in the increases of those that stayed and it leaves more than half of that free. Plus 250k of salary goes from the cap for Newman and Brett Deledio and you have around 1m floating.

The cap in 2015 will be a smudge over $10 mill. You must pay 95% or 9.5 million. I'd suggest that with this draft, we would be paying bang on or slight over that 95%.

For what youth can offer on the ground, it's greatest advantage for contending clubs is the cost.

Apart from the compulsory payment level for 1st and 2nd year players, I'd suspect we will be front loading a few contracts as well. I believe we can top the TPP at 105%. All the more important that we get Rance and Martin's contract extensions done early. Front load them as well, leaves a bit more for chasing a FA next off season.

 

[mrposhman]

Apart from the compulsory payment level for 1st and 2nd year players, I'd suspect we will be front loading a few contracts as well. I believe we can top the TPP at 105%. All the more important that we get Rance and Martin's contract extensions done early. Front load them as well, leaves a bit more for chasing a FA next off season.

Was thinking the same. Expect they've front loaded Cotch's contract and agree that the others probably will too. Leaves a bit more for FA next year.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Biggest thing that I think has been overlooked at the draft is the salary cap repercussions.

This influx of youth comes cheap. Base Wage for a first rounder is 70k plus match payments and it filters down to Reece McKenzie who might be getting a base of 60k. The rookies all get 55k. With Jackson, King and Aaron Edwards going you more than likely have 800k, check in BOH and Helbig and it's around 1.1 free. Pencil in the increases of those that stayed and it leaves more than half of that free. Plus 250k of salary goes from the cap for Newman and Brett Deledio and you have around 1m floating.

The cap in 2015 will be a smudge over $10 mill. You must pay 95% or 9.5 million. I'd suggest that with this draft, we would be paying bang on or slight over that 95%.

For what youth can offer on the ground, it's greatest advantage for contending clubs is the cost.

It's a fair point.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Recycled is recycled. Traded is traded -

Think you're trying to split pubes with a razor, as far as i'm concerned there is no real difference between a recycled or traded player. They're both pulling on the jumper at a different club.

I don't know the figures - but I bet that the recycled players picked up in the rookie draft have done better than the novice kids in terms of games played and impact. Pettered, Miles and Stephensen come to mind.

Hmm, let me see. Petterd versus Vlastuin. Mature rookie versus young kid. Perhaps we could make the choice more difficult. The Orrifice's half a dozen games versus the as yet untapped potential of the Tiger Beanie.
Meh.

 

[FitenFitenWin]

Hmm, let me see. Petterd versus Vlastuin. Mature rookie versus young kid. Perhaps we could make the choice more difficult. The Orrifice's half a dozen games versus the as yet untapped potential of the Tiger Beanie.
Meh.

The kids I'm referring to are U/18 kids drafted onto the rookie list - not ND players - which you'd understand if you read my comments just a tad more carefully. Not comparing Petterd to Vlaustin. I'm comparing Petterd to the likes of Cadeyn Williams. Try and keep up old son.

 

[TigerMasochist]

The kids I'm referring to are U/18 kids drafted onto the rookie list - not ND players - which you'd understand if you read my comments just a tad more carefully. Not comparing Petterd to Vlaustin. I'm comparing Petterd to the likes of Cadeyn Williams. Try and keep up old son.

So all we're doing now is comparing the success chances of mature physically developed rookies as against 18 y.o. rookies? I'd say the mature blokes would have a higher chance of succeeding purely because they are physically ready plus experienced over the kid, considering they'd both have a very limited window of opportunity to perform.

Been plenty complaining about the recycled plug n play plodders we've been forced to pick up in recent years due to the compromised drafts n trying to balance the age n experience of our list.
Now that the list is entering it's premium development demographic n we've got a clean hit at drafting mainly for future needs, you're unhappy we've gone too young, even though we've still grabbed a couple who should be capable of plugging in to start 2015. ??? Just don't get your beef!

Rookies Thomas about 27/28 experienced senior player. Arnott about 21 has had some senior games, physically mature. Lambert about 23 experienced n talented senior VFL player. Castagna n Short newbie kids with potential but flaws to their games. Do you think we'd be better off with all Thomas or Banfield types on our list? We've just elevated Petterd n Miles from our rookie list to enhance our senior list n replaced them with some youthful exuberance n replaced Banfield with Lambert, a one year opportunity changeover.

 

[tigerman]

Drummond is 20 next month, so he might be able to play early doors as well.

 

[MB78]

Most of the drafted players are very good runners. I hope they put the pressure on at training and keep the rest of the list on their game. I would love have our team like Port's with the opposition knowing that we will keep running the whole game.

I like what we have done to our list. All of our recruit all tick of at least one of the following 3 - Speed, Endurance or elite kicking.

 

[Baloo]

They reality is if 3 of these boys make 150 games for the club then we will have done very well. Despite the comparisons to black, cousins, Lockett, hodge, Mitchell, etc, these boys are untested in the big league and we need to be realistic in our expectations.

 

[Tiger Rob]

They reality is if 3 of these boys make 150 games for the club then we will have done very well. Despite the comparisons to black, cousins, Lockett, hodge, Mitchell, etc, these boys are untested in the big league and we need to be realistic in our expectations.

Hater ;D

 

[tigerlove]

They reality is if 3 of these boys make 150 games for the club then we will have done very well. Despite the comparisons to black, cousins, Lockett, hodge, Mitchell, etc, these boys are untested in the big league and we need to be realistic in our expectations.

Hmm reality starting to sink in.

 

[Tigers of Old]

They reality is if 3 of these boys make 150 games for the club then we will have done very well. Despite the comparisons to black, cousins, Lockett, hodge, Mitchell, etc, these boys are untested in the big league and we need to be realistic in our expectations.

Boring but common sense approach.

 

[Baloo]

Just trying to save the boys some hate. Too often we go feral when these kids fail to live up to our lofty expectation.

 

[pumped]

Just trying to save the boys some hate. Too often we go feral when these kids fail to live up to our lofty expectation.

Keyboard warrior

 

[Baloo]

Keyboard warrior

I prefer my formal title, Guardian of the Bright

 

[pumped]

:hihi

 

[TigerFlag2017]

I prefer my formal title, Guardian of the Bright

Would you suggest they should first all be written off as DUDS and then any that make it we can sing to the rafters about our awesome recruiting team? Good management of expectations.