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thoughts on the draft
- Thread starter Carter
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DirtyDogTiger said:
Rest easy Miles was upgraded with pick 88, by dropping Arnott to Rookie list we got an extra pick . Its just that they didn't announce any Rookie upgrades for any club during the Draft telecast, probably to save some time.
DirtyDogTiger said:
It's not the max as I understand it. It means we have 39 on the main list and one rookie.Baloo said:
We can go to 40 if we want by taking a psd pick and take 3 rookies or just take 4 rookies. As long as we have no more than 40 on the senior list and 44 overall we are ok.
To address DDT's point I believe the need to read out the rookie upgrades is gone, we nominated Miles as an upgrade pre draft so it has automatically happened
There are plenty of players who have improvement in them. The ones you noted did it in 2014 so why not others in 2015? It is true that unless we get others to step up we will stagnate but there is quite a lot to work with.SAF said:
Vlastuin, Griffiths, Lennon, McDonough, McBean, Lloyd are all players who have very good upside. Whether they show it or not we don't know but there is a lot of potential for improvement.
Yes we added speed, but how highly did we prioritise it? Menadue will be a player but will need time, Drummond and Butler are sketchy at this stage.
Many on here lamented our lack of speed this season but we have not injected any ready speed over the trade / ND period.
Many on here lamented our lack of speed this season but we have not injected any ready speed over the trade / ND period.
Carter said:
I re-watched the Cats game this year and was struck how slow we looked. However, we do seem to have almost over compensated, of the 6 players we added 5 are burners. I like to see a steadier approach
Carter said:
Carter, 5 of the six players we've added over the offseason so far are speedsters. One 106 kg speedster.
No we didn't go for speed at pick 12, but one extra quick player wouldn't have changed our profile much anyway. We're looking to get some speed through the middle (Hunt/Drummond) and some speed on the outside (Menadue/butler) as well as some speed in the forward line (McKenzie). If half of those guys work out over the next couple of years, we look a speedier side. Hunt is an instant speedy addition, and we're looking to correct the profile a little over the coming years.
You can't change too much too quickly with 18 year olds, unless you happen to be GWS and have 264 picks in the first ten.
Coburgtiger said:
Pick 12 isn't just 'one extra pick' as you well know.
Pick 12 could bring 250 games of speed and skill.
Drummond and Butler? They might make it. Based on previous years Menadue will be the only one. In a couple of years.
I really rate Corey Ellis, but let's not pretend we prioritised speed as a matter of urgency.
Sintiger said:
If you honestly think that the players you listed will take us from barely good enough to make the eight & uncompetitive against the best teams into a top 4 team that is a realistic contender then you must be watching a different game to me. Most of that list will be lucky to get a regular senior game next year, we will be relying on our A graders to all be at their best & not get injured plus guys like Ellis & Miles to emulate their form of 2014 just to hold a spot in the 8. I don't think many seem to realize the massive step that is required to move from 8th to top 4, in my opinion is it a bigger & harder step than from 16th to 8th.
I think you need to actually read my post .Most of your post I actually didn't saySAF said:
My point is nothing more than that players improve and we have players who can improve. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it won't happen. Did any of us see the emergence of Miles in 2014 ? Did we know Rance or Ellis could be that good?
I am not predicting or stating anything will happen but some of our players will get better. If it is enough we will know next year
People over rate speed way to much on here, no doubt we need an injection of pace. End of the day it doesnt matter how quick you are if your getting smashed inside.
Our matches against Carlton come to mind, they smash us on the inside then there plodders look like the Brad Hills of the AFL.
Win the ball on the inside, give your guys on the outside time then it makes quick ball movement easy ala Port.
Our matches against Carlton come to mind, they smash us on the inside then there plodders look like the Brad Hills of the AFL.
Win the ball on the inside, give your guys on the outside time then it makes quick ball movement easy ala Port.
Had some time to digest the draft.
For me, we appear to have got the right types, but the names are a bit obscure.
Ellis was preferred over some more fancied others - Weller, Laverde & Garlett.
Menadue & Drummond, the same in their own way, bypassing Blakely, Vickers-Willis, Neal-Bullen, Gore,
Butler, we don't know.
McKenzie is Carlton 1987 premiership forward, Warren McKenzie’s son.
A good late though uncertain pick, which is often the case.
I don't know enough now about the individual boys to say whether we chose well or not.
But I'm pretty certain about one thing.
Reckon this may be the draft that makes of breaks the current Richmond recruiting department.
We invested heavily in this draft.
It's the draft we waited for and had 5 picks in.
Fingers crossed!
For me, we appear to have got the right types, but the names are a bit obscure.
Ellis was preferred over some more fancied others - Weller, Laverde & Garlett.
Menadue & Drummond, the same in their own way, bypassing Blakely, Vickers-Willis, Neal-Bullen, Gore,
Butler, we don't know.
McKenzie is Carlton 1987 premiership forward, Warren McKenzie’s son.
A good late though uncertain pick, which is often the case.
I don't know enough now about the individual boys to say whether we chose well or not.
But I'm pretty certain about one thing.
Reckon this may be the draft that makes of breaks the current Richmond recruiting department.
We invested heavily in this draft.
It's the draft we waited for and had 5 picks in.
Fingers crossed!
Tigertough1974 said:
I was talking about the massive improvement (20-30%) that would be required over the next few months in order to take us from middle of the road to a flag contender, not what I hope might happen in 2 years time.
We have one of the best core groups of elite talent at the club since our last flag, if we don't start pushing up into the top 4 class of teams soon several of them will be past their best & we'll be just trending water as older elite talent declines & is replaced by young elite talent. We need significant incremental improvement very soon if we want to get a flag from the current elite group.
Haw & Syd have taken bold & agressive trade / list management decisions to build teams capable of winning a flag. In comparison we are playing it safe & hoping that our recent draft picks will all quickly develop into top line players, despite the fact we haven't had a top 5 pick in the draft since Dusty 5 years ago. I could understand this thinking if we have had some of the young talent that GWS & GC have drafted but with the picks we have had it is a lot less likely. Conca has been the highest pick we've had since Dusty & the jury is still out - highly unlikely he will ever been at Dusty's level. Ellis is the only recent draft picks that has shown consistent signs of being capable of being elite.
I'm not bagging the club or players, I just want to see a Richmond flag & I'm very concerned that the strategy we have is not going to take us there anytime soon (just like Dimma's decisions about game plan last summer).
As for not liking many of my posts I'm sure you are not alone on here, there is a lot of "hopes" & "what ifs" on here & my realistic & critical outlook is often in conflict with that.
Sintiger said:
I'm sorry I didn't read you post correctly, I find it hard to read "meaningless dribble".
Of course there will be players that improve but there will also be players who go backwards or get injuried. Overall team improvement at a significantly faster rate than other teams is what will win a flag, for me the probability of this occurring is low when there is little change and there is not enough elite talent already on the list.
