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Tiger Intensity

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pahoffm

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Mar 24, 2004
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Just been updating the old home stats on the Tiges.
Just thought I'd share some figures.

These are the KPIs of the Tiges over the last 5 rounds.

Rnd by Rnd 11 12 13 14 15
Disposals 394 296 348 348 299
Kicks 242 204 255 244 202
Long Kicks 72 64 81 70 53
% Kicks Long 29.8 31.4 31.8 28.7 26.2
Handballs 152 92 93 104 97
Kick to Handball Ratio 1.6 2.2 2.7 2.3 2.1
Marks 133 114 116 146 124
Contested Marks 2 3 10 5 8
% Marks Contested 1.5 2.6 8.6 3.4 6.5
Tackles 50 74 69 47 41
Goals 15 8 13 14 7
Behinds 8 8 11 7 8
Scoring Shots 23 16 24 21 15
Conversion 65.2 50 54.2 66.7 46.7
Disposals Per Goal 26.3 37 26.8 24.9 42.7
Disposals Per Scoring Shot 17.1 18.5 14.5 16.6 19.9
Frees For 11 18 21 18 19
Frees Against 17 26 12 24 23
Hitouts 25 35 26 18 8
First Possessions 32 27 36 33 21
Clearances 25 27 36 31 18
Inside 50s 51 50 57 48 49
Inside 50s Per Goal 3.4 6.2 4.4 3.4 7
Inside 50s Per Scoring Shot 2.2 3.1 2.4 2.3 3.3
Rebound 50s 44 33 36 47 37
Contested Possessions 24 27 38 25 26
Uncontested Possessions 381 291 315 332 276
% Possessions Contested 5.9 8.5 10.8 7 8.6
1%ers 72 78 71 40 37
Errors 58 66 53 57 62
% Disposal Errors 14.7 22.3 15.2 16.4 20.7
Bounces 25 24 10 18 28
There is little doubt that in the 2 losses, Hawthorn & Melbourne, the Tigers' intensity dropped off dramatically.
Understandably the boys can't be up every week.

Compare this to the opposition in each of those games.

Rnd by Rnd 11 12 13 14 15
Disposals 320 362 343 327 336
Kicks 199 236 219 195 230
Long Kicks 75 63 70 74 61
% Kicks Long 37.7 26.7 32 37.9 26.5
Handballs 121 126 124 132 106
Kick to Handball Ratio 1.6 1.9 1.8 1.5 2.2
Marks 104 147 109 113 145
Contested Marks 4 4 5 4 11
% Marks Contested 3.8 2.7 4.6 3.5 7.6
Tackles 79 63 63 64 52
Goals 9 16 6 6 9
Behinds 9 7 6 16 16
Scoring Shots 18 23 12 22 25
Conversion 50 69.6 50 27.3 36
Disposals Per Goal 35.6 22.6 57.2 54.5 37.3
Disposals Per Scoring Shot 17.8 15.7 28.6 14.9 13.4
Frees For 17 26 12 24 23
Frees Against 11 18 21 18 18
Hitouts 24 28 27 25 19
First Possessions 27 32 36 23 18
Clearances 28 27 31 22 19
Inside 50s 50 48 44 52 45
Inside 50s Per Goal 5.6 3 7.3 8.7 5
Inside 50s Per Scoring Shot 2.8 2.1 3.7 2.4 1.8
Rebound 50s 37 41 42 34 40
Contested Possessions 26 22 33 18 27
Uncontested Possessions 295 367 314 305 300
% Possessions Contested 8.1 5.7 9.5 5.6 8.3
1%ers 90 85 59 62 49
Errors 51 60 74 51 55
% Disposal Errors 15.9 16.6 21.6 15.6 16.4
Bounces 16 18 10 35 37
Each week the opposition seem to be almost at maximum intensity.
Their output level don't seem to drop.

Is this coincidence. Why does every team seem to show maximum intensity against the Tiges?
The only times the boys seem to have hit down oppositions were in rounds 4 & 10, possibly also rounds 2 & 8.

Don't quite know what to make of it, but I thought I'd share the info with you.
 
We dont need stats to tell us that when the Tiges drop off the intencity is when we drop games, we all know it all so well.

This has been a concern for many of years, we always get too comfortable after a good couple of wins, like the hawks and port game this year, and we can mention plenty for every season past.

You have to question the players hunger for finals footy, how strong is it? I just dont think they are fully committed, I have felt that way for years now.
 
Dunno TE, I reckon every side has downward trends in intensity at different times in the season. You could argue the Eagles have been down in this department for a month. Their talent and strength still wins them games - ours doesn't ... yet.
 
Valid point Hopps but why do we need to be belted by 100pts and beaten by an undermanned hawks ect in order to find that intencity that won us the Pies& Power games?
 
I'd reckon that one's just part and parcel of having a team that comprises
1. Young bodies with inexperienced heads.
2. Still a few older bodies who were never much chop in the first place.
Takes some years in the gym, hours at T@FE and plenty of gametime to rememdy that one. Aain, for us tortured tiger souls, patience is the key.
 
Phantom said:
Just been updating the old home stats on the Tiges.
Just thought I'd share some figures.

These are the KPIs of the Tiges over the last 5 rounds.

Rnd by Rnd 11 12 13 14 15
Disposals 394 296 348 348 299
Kicks 242 204 255 244 202
Long Kicks 72 64 81 70 53
% Kicks Long 29.8 31.4 31.8 28.7 26.2
Handballs 152 92 93 104 97
Kick to Handball Ratio 1.6 2.2 2.7 2.3 2.1
Marks 133 114 116 146 124
Contested Marks 2 3 10 5 8
% Marks Contested 1.5 2.6 8.6 3.4 6.5
Tackles 50 74 69 47 41
Goals 15 8 13 14 7
Behinds 8 8 11 7 8
Scoring Shots 23 16 24 21 15
Conversion 65.2 50 54.2 66.7 46.7
Disposals Per Goal 26.3 37 26.8 24.9 42.7
Disposals Per Scoring Shot 17.1 18.5 14.5 16.6 19.9
Frees For 11 18 21 18 19
Frees Against 17 26 12 24 23
Hitouts 25 35 26 18 8
First Possessions 32 27 36 33 21
Clearances 25 27 36 31 18
Inside 50s 51 50 57 48 49
Inside 50s Per Goal 3.4 6.2 4.4 3.4 7
Inside 50s Per Scoring Shot 2.2 3.1 2.4 2.3 3.3
Rebound 50s 44 33 36 47 37
Contested Possessions 24 27 38 25 26
Uncontested Possessions 381 291 315 332 276
% Possessions Contested 5.9 8.5 10.8 7 8.6
1%ers 72 78 71 40 37
Errors 58 66 53 57 62
% Disposal Errors 14.7 22.3 15.2 16.4 20.7
Bounces 25 24 10 18 28
There is little doubt that in the 2 losses, Hawthorn & Melbourne, the Tigers' intensity dropped off dramatically.
Understandably the boys can't be up every week.

Compare this to the opposition in each of those games.

Rnd by Rnd 11 12 13 14 15
Disposals 320 362 343 327 336
Kicks 199 236 219 195 230
Long Kicks 75 63 70 74 61
% Kicks Long 37.7 26.7 32 37.9 26.5
Handballs 121 126 124 132 106
Kick to Handball Ratio 1.6 1.9 1.8 1.5 2.2
Marks 104 147 109 113 145
Contested Marks 4 4 5 4 11
% Marks Contested 3.8 2.7 4.6 3.5 7.6
Tackles 79 63 63 64 52
Goals 9 16 6 6 9
Behinds 9 7 6 16 16
Scoring Shots 18 23 12 22 25
Conversion 50 69.6 50 27.3 36
Disposals Per Goal 35.6 22.6 57.2 54.5 37.3
Disposals Per Scoring Shot 17.8 15.7 28.6 14.9 13.4
Frees For 17 26 12 24 23
Frees Against 11 18 21 18 18
Hitouts 24 28 27 25 19
First Possessions 27 32 36 23 18
Clearances 28 27 31 22 19
Inside 50s 50 48 44 52 45
Inside 50s Per Goal 5.6 3 7.3 8.7 5
Inside 50s Per Scoring Shot 2.8 2.1 3.7 2.4 1.8
Rebound 50s 37 41 42 34 40
Contested Possessions 26 22 33 18 27
Uncontested Possessions 295 367 314 305 300
% Possessions Contested 8.1 5.7 9.5 5.6 8.3
1%ers 90 85 59 62 49
Errors 51 60 74 51 55
% Disposal Errors 15.9 16.6 21.6 15.6 16.4
Bounces 16 18 10 35 37
Each week the opposition seem to be almost at maximum intensity.
Their output level don't seem to drop.

Is this coincidence. Why does every team seem to show maximum intensity against the Tiges?
The only times the boys seem to have hit down oppositions were in rounds 4 & 10, possibly also rounds 2 & 8.

Don't quite know what to make of it, but I thought I'd share the info with you.
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Now that is good reverse psychology Phantom - you know as well as quite a few on here why. We are vulnerable under pressure- have been for years and with our skill set are even more under the pump. Not rocket science mate and that is exactly why teams increase intensity against us as they know that we are extremely vulnerable when pressure is placed on us.
 
So, if we put together the above with below, we get a much better understanding of what the Tigers aren't doing to exert pressure on the opposition.

Ranked 13th in Handballs Per Game

Ranked 16th in Tackles Per Game

Ranked 15th in Goals Per Game

Ranked 16th in Frees For Per Game

Ranked 12th in Frees Against Per Game

Ranked 15th in First Possessions Per Game

Ranked 16th in Clearances Per Game

Ranked 16th in 1%ers Per Game

Ranked 14th in least Opponent Marks Per Game

Ranked 13th in least Opponent Tackles Per Game

Ranked 16th in least Opponent Behinds Per Game

Ranked 15th in least Opponent Errors Per Game

Ranked 16th in least Opponent Bounces Per Game

Ranked 16th in Team to Opponent Tackles Per Game Diff.

Ranked 12th in Team to Opponent Goals Per Game Diff.

Ranked 12th in Team to Opponent Behinds Per Game Diff.

Ranked 13th in Team to Opponent Frees For Per Game Diff.

Ranked 12th in Team to Opponent Clearances Per Game Diff.

Ranked 12th in Team to Opponent Inside 50s Per Game Diff.

Ranked 15th in Team to Opponent 1%ers Per Game Diff.

Ranked 14th in Team to Opponent Errors Per Game Diff.

That is, if the boys can apply more pressure, the opposition are more likely to drop their bundles.
 
Personally I think it is far better to look at the stats to discern a style of play, rather than to identify what on the surface appear to be deficiencies. ee, if we are 16th in clearances, does that indicate a problem with winning clearances, or does it indicate that we play a possession/running game that results in fewer clearances?
 
Dean3 said:
Personally I think it is far better to look at the stats to discern a style of play, rather than to identify what on the surface appear to be deficiencies. ee, if we are 16th in clearances, does that indicate a problem with winning clearances, or does it indicate that we play a possession/running game that results in fewer clearances?
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Fair point.
Much of what you've posted is the reason why we ARE much better than where the stats deficiencies indicate we should be.

These are the positives:

Ranked 5th in Kicks Per Game

Ranked 2nd in Marks Per Game

Ranked 5th in Contested Possessions Per Game

Ranked 5th in Bounces Per Game

Ranked 5th in least Opponent Disposals Per Game

Ranked 3rd in least Opponent Handballs Per Game

Ranked 2nd in least Opponent Frees Against Per Game

Ranked 2nd in least Opponent Hitouts Per Game

Ranked 2nd in least Opponent Contested Marks Per Game

Ranked 1st in least Opponent First Possessions Per Game

Ranked 2nd in least Opponent Clearances Per Game

Ranked 2nd in least Opponent Contested Possessions Per Game

Ranked 5th in least Opponent Uncontested Possessions Per Game

Ranked 4th in Team to Opponent Contested Marks Per Game Diff.

Ranked 1st in Team to Opponent Contested Possessions Per Game Diff.

The efforts of the boys in contested possessions is very pleasing.
 
Phantom - thanks for the stats.

How do you measure 'intensity' fromt these stats? Tackles or 1%ers by themselves may be a reflection of the weather / being second to the ball (because of skill errors?) rather than intensity. Some of the relative stats you quote are pretty interesting. The key standouts for me were...

Apologies I'm not sure how to get the formatting nice but bolded 2 worst numbers.

Rnd by Rnd1112131415
ResultWLWWL
Conversion65.25054.266.746.7
Disposals Per Goal 26.33726.824.942.7
Disposals Per Scoring Shot 17.118.514.516.619.9
Inside 50s5150574849
Opponent Inside 50s 5048445245
Relative Inside 50s +1+2+9-4+4
Inside 50s Per Goal 3.46.24.43.47
Inside 50s Per Scoring Shot 2.23.12.42.33.3
% Disposal Errors 14.722.315.216.420.7
           
ie. we butchered the ball against Melbourne going inside 50 and in kicking for goal against Hawthorn and generated a similar amount of scoring opportunities. Lots of the opposition goals (not sure if you have a stat on it), I believe would have followed in the immediate passage of play from either a) a kickable goal (v. Hawthorn) or b) a disposal error (v. Melbourne) whilst our players were out of position. In both losses we seemed to enter 50 a similar amount of times to our wins (we actually won the games with the worse relative inside 50s) - enough to kick a more competitive if not winning score.

The turnover is what has been killing us for years IMHO but the frequency of it is decreasing under TW.

Would support this further with your

Ranked 1st in least Opponent First Possessions Per Game 
Ranked 2nd in least Opponent Clearances Per Game 

Suggesting we get it, then stuff it up in our losses.

Though

Ranked 15th in least Opponent Errors Per Game and
Ranked 16th in 1%ers Per Game 

Support the intensity concern.

Whatever is causing the poor disposal can be an area to focus on at training... mental application / lack of talk / lack of protecting teammate / ball in poor kicker's hands too often.....or via recruiting / trading at years end.
 
Yep, well posted.

Intensity can only be measured via KPIs, those listed earlier.
The KPIs set a pattern of intensity.

As I sat with my good friend, a Melbourne supporter, watching the game through the window, I said in the first quarter, "The intensity isn't there, we're going to lose this."

You can see it from the stands, then later you read the stats to get the measure.
 
Not sure that I understand all these figures.

How can we be 16th in clearances per game, but 2nd in least opponent clearances per game ?

Who is clearing the ball ?
 
Hartbalme said:
Not sure that I understand all these figures.

How can we be 16th in clearances per game, but 2nd in least opponent clearances per game ?

Who is clearing the ball ?
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Because there aren't that many stoppages in a Tiger game, maybe. Rather than kicking to contests, or placing the ball in dispute, the boys are maintaining possession or passing it directly over.
 
exactly right.


thats why a better indication is what % of clearances or 1st possesions are we winning.
 
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