Tiger's performance in Trade Week

[Freezer]

And people think Richmond's trading has been bad...!



Saints delisted
18 October 2007 Herald Sun

ST KILDA yesterday wrote off two of its recent trades as flawed choices when it delisted Barry Brooks and Fergus Watts.

The pair were recruited in exchange for first-round draft picks during the Grant Thomas era.

The Saints gave up pick No. 17 to Adelaide in 2005 to lure Watts, a star SANFL full-forward who played just one game in 2006 before breaking an ankle.

Brooks, 198cm, played just 10 games in five seasons after being traded by Port Adelaide to St Kilda for picks No. 6 and No. 31 in 2002.

Significantly, the 2002 draft was littered with quality players including star Roo ruckman Hamish McIntosh (pick No. 9).

St Kilda also delisted young forwards Justin Sweeney and Phil Raymond after two seasons and elevated Jarryn Geary and Clinton Jones from the rookie list. Jayden Attard, Robert Eddy and Luke van Rheenen were retained as rookies, while James Wall departs.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22605002%255E20322,00.html



Couple of picks that worked out really well - Brooks and Watts...! :rofl

 

[Tango]

the thread asks how we did in trade week??

what ruckmen and KPP we available that we missed out on?

Meesen - come on cant get a game anywhere
King - everyone would have screamed here comes another ex geelong old timer
Moran - tall but not a footballer
Woods - needed to use a 1st round pick - no thanks

there were no KPP or Rucks worth taking for what we had or were prepared to offer

the other area we needed to fill was skill - we got it

 

[Harry]

Pathetic.

 

[Streak]

Recruiting McMahon and Morton look like a treading water exercise to me. I hope they work out but..............

The only saving grace with this performance, if you can call it a saving grace, is the apparent lack of depth in this years draft pool. I guess it was OK to speculate on Morton for pick 35 if this draft is as poor as the experts seem to think. McMahon for pick 19 is dumbfounding.

 

[the claw]

Our single biggest weakness is kicking skills. If these 2 guys can kick it will be a good start.

those 2 blokes need to get their hands onit to kick it.why target just one aspect when trading for players.

 

[Tango]

to be fair claw therfe were no real KPP or rucks that we could trade for unless we used pick 2

wood went for 14
meesen is a hack
moran is ordinary
richards is ordinary (probably get him psd as back up)
king is old but worth a late pick

better off keeping and working with *smile* wich is what we did

 

[Hayfever]

those 2 blokes need to get their hands onit to kick it.why target just one aspect when trading for players.

You mean if Miller can't find a perfect player for not too much moolah then he should simply do nothing? I can imagine the criticism he'd get then ....... and I bet you would in the front row of the chorus.

We need to improve our list...... by whatever avenues are open to us. Getting reasonable players with experience from other clubs in the right age group is one of them. In poker parlance you can only play with the cards you are dealt. Miller did that last week for a reasonable result.

I've read in other postings where you state a preference for acquiring young unproven players. Fair enough...... but RFC runs the risk of crucifying young players if there is not enough experience/strong bodies around them. Last season we saw how risky it was. Part of managing risk is about not putting all your eggs in one basket. McMahon and Morton bolster one area for us. Other areas are obvious........ like talls(KPP and ruck)...... and there are further opportunities for us to make good choices from what will be available.

 

[the claw]

those 2 blokes need to get their hands onit to kick it.why target just one aspect when trading for players.

You mean if Miller can't find a perfect player for not too much moolah then he should simply do nothing? I can imagine the criticism he'd get then ....... and I bet you would in the front row of the chorus.

We need to improve our list...... by whatever avenues are open to us. Getting reasonable players with experience from other clubs in the right age group is one of them. In poker parlance you can only play with the cards you are dealt. Miller did that last week for a reasonable result.

I've read in other postings where you state a preference for acquiring young unproven players. Fair enough...... but RFC runs the risk of crucifying young players if there is not enough experience/strong bodies around them. Last season we saw how risky it was. Part of managing risk is about not putting all your eggs in one basket. McMahon and Morton bolster one area for us. Other areas are obvious........ like talls(KPP and ruck)...... and there are further opportunities for us to make good choices from what will be available.

you also dont have to pl;ay if you dont want to lose your money.

you see sneezy ive only ever pushed the barrow of useing our early picks in the nd. my preference is to trade into more early picks if we can. if we had not got morton and in particular mcmahon i would have been happy. if you think getting mcmahon and morton is getting experience and strong bodies well you are very much mistaken.

if you think they bolster an area you are right they add to an area that doesnt need bolstering you talk of putting all your eggs in one basket well what thats exactly what we have done in getting these 2.we just need to have patience and develop those players we do have.

lets also say those kids we have are not up to playing mcmahons role ie kicking why didnt we offer them up as trade bait. in particular im refering to raines both mcmahon and morton will be vying for his spot.

the simple fact is there was plenty of player types that we desperately needed going in the trade period that we could have made concerted efforts to get and we didnt. instead we targeted 2 skinny outriders of which we have plenty of at the expense of valuable 2nd round draft picks.
we targeted these 2 knowing full well we had just 11 talls left on the list, one a rookie, one we tried to trade away because hes not up to it and the other a flanker may be delisted anyway.

we targeted these 2 knowing full well that we desperately need skillful inside onballers to help foley.

finally if we were going to go for experience and strong bodies well mcmahon and morton were the last players you would target. genuine kpp and inside mids offer you your hardness and anyone we took would offer more experience than morton.

you can make all the excuses you like but the management of our list is inexcusable and those in charge must be held accountable.

you are right we need to improve the list but not at any cost. if it meant not doing a trade and useing those picks in the nd which would mean onfield success will take a little longer so be it.

 

[Hayfever]

We can agree to disagree Claw..... or we can eliminate the areas we agree on and focus on what is left. I do believe we need to bolster our run and carry brigade. I'll give my scenario to hopefully explain it more clearly.

Example A Deledio can run, carry and kick. As we saw near season end he has matured as a player and is now ready for more of a key role...... like in the forward line. After a full/hard preseason I expect them to make that move from round 1. So we have a vacancy on our list. Are there others ready to step up yet? Not really......... some run and carry fine but kick like an unattended fire hose under full pressure.

Example B Raines. I love this kid. In 2005 people rubbished him a bit. In 2006 he improved greatly and was runner-up in the Rising Star. In 2007 he was given a man's job because of our key defence shortfalls and copped a few hidings by gun players like Riewoldt. Some rubbished him again and said he's no good. I disagree because I dont see him as a permanent key defender...... but learning those skills helps him as an allround footballer. He has weaknesses under pressure but has the physique, desire and athletism to develop into a quality attacking player for us. Where would you play him in 2008? Is he ready for the centre like his old man? If so we need someone with run, carry, kick to replace him as a flanker or winger. Same issue as for Deledio.

I believe Miller got McMahon and Morton for reasons like the above....... given there were not better picks available for our other weak areas. Tango pointed this out in his above post. So IMHO we have already bolstered one key area and freed up quality youngsters like Deledio and Raines to move to positions that will see them as key players as our rebuilt side finally begins to take shape.

 

[IrockZ]

whats wrong with connors and the like getting the job?

its not like we dont have anyone at coburg who play those positions

 

[Hayfever]

whats wrong with connors and the like getting the job?

its not like we dont have anyone at coburg who play those positions

We have plenty of vacancies.

 

[PurpleSneakers]

the thread asks how we did in trade week??

what ruckmen and KPP we available that we missed out on?

Meesen - come on cant get a game anywhere
King - everyone would have screamed here comes another ex geelong old timer
Moran - tall but not a footballer
Woods - needed to use a 1st round pick - no thanks

there were no KPP or Rucks worth taking for what we had or were prepared to offer

Then don't trade them away. Keep the pick's and let Francis Jackson do his job.

 

[Tango]

i think you will find that TW and GM have more confidence in Riewoldt, Thursfeild, Mcgane and Hughes than they do of anyone they will get from pick 19 or that was up for trade

there is no use picking blokes above 6'2 if they are useless, we learnt that lesson from the past:
Hall, Morrison & (a KPP from the lions whose name escapes me), Jurica, etc

 

[Puntrd64]

The club does not have a long term strategy for replacing talls. Fast forward to two years time when Richo is gorn, what, where and who will be our fwd line? Total midgets like the Bulldogs list left by TW. TW has cornered the market in outside skinnies.

 

[PurpleSneakers]

i think you will find that TW and GM have more confidence in Riewoldt, Thursfeild, Mcgane and Hughes than they do of anyone they will get from pick 19 or that was up for trade

Three of those four have hardly established themselves as senior AFL footballers, I wouldn't be confident that all
four will be ten year players. Then there's Schulz and Polak two others that will be around for a decent amount of time; but that's still only 6 players, and in 2 years time our spine will have to come from this group. Surely they aren't thinking they don't have to add to it.
There's question marks on just about all these players, some will make it and certainly some won't, but you've gotta
keep sifting through them to find the ones that are keepers - keep adding to the depth. (Ruck's!?)

Also I'm not sure I have absolute faith in TW/GM's ability to judge an individual player let alone a whole draft.
So I'm not sure I'll trust them completely if they think there's only rubbish left at 19.
Obviously the decent players stop dead at pick 18. (I'd love to know what F.J. thinks of trading pick 19.)

there is no use picking blokes above 6'2 if they are useless, we learnt that lesson from the past:
Hall, Morrison & (a KPP from the lions whose name escapes me), Jurica, etc

This statement is obviously true, but only applies here if the first statement is correct.

 

[the claw]

i think you will find that TW and GM have more confidence in Riewoldt, Thursfeild, Mcgane and Hughes than they do of anyone they will get from pick 19 or that was up for trade

there is no use picking blokes above 6'2 if they are useless, we learnt that lesson from the past:
Hall, Morrison & (a KPP from the lions whose name escapes me), Jurica, etc

what about blokes like vespremi millar grimes mcginnity ward and others. dont we have a desperate need of onballers. oh thats right we have plenty of them types as well. :

if wallace and miller have no faith in a pick as low as 19 they should be given their marching orders poste haste. the other little bit of bother we have is riewoldt hughes mcguane and thursfield are the only real talls on the list who potentially may last longer than 3 yrs and i think im being kind with that assesment.

 

[Harry]

People still trying to justify these stupid decisions? LMAO

 

[craig]

Hey I see some interesting ideas coming through here think about this...

Richo FF
Riewoldt CHF
Foley C
schulz CHB
Thursfield FB


Not a bad Goal to Goal line???

Rucks = Simmonds, Pattison, Graham, + 1 Rookie @22-23


What do you thinK?

I think.................. when the hell are people gonna realise that Schulz is a *smile* lazy arsed, one dimensional one trick pony that has done SQUAT in 5 years, and is far from a Key Defenders backside.

 

[the claw]

Hey I see some interesting ideas coming through here think about this...

Richo FF
Riewoldt CHF
Foley C
schulz CHB
Thursfield FB


Not a bad Goal to Goal line???

Rucks = Simmonds, Pattison, Graham, + 1 Rookie @22-23


What do you thinK?

I think.................. when the hell are people gonna realise that Schulz is a *smile* lazy arsed, one dimensional one trick pony that has done SQUAT in 5 years, and is far from a Key Defenders backside.

spot on craig. and hk very very ordinary goal to goal line. richo gone in 2 yrs riewoldt who is a third tall option only atm. foley who is a onballer. schulz who is a dud. and thursfield who is like riewoldt atm a third tall option only. then we have a rookie who may or may not make it and patto a player who is not quite a good ruckman and not quite a good kpp.