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Tigers vs Kangas - match day thread

TIGEREXTRA said:
Yeh, spewin, they kicked us out the 8. >:(

we've made an art form of being in the 8 when it hasn't mattered. And slipped out just when we had to hold on. Done it many times for a long while

it would be nice to reverse that process and slip in at the right time; and when we're playing good footy ...in late August.
 
rosy23 said:
Rayzorwire said:
Tivendale was ok, but not really having the impact you'd hope from a senior midfielder who has played every game this season and not been troubled by injury (as far as we know). Didn't do much wrong, but has struggled a little in output terms recently. Nice goal.

I thought Tivva had a great game and will be giving him votes this week. A positive attacking game for us while restricting Harvey's effectiveness for the Roos. I haven't watched the reply yet but maybe the telly didn't show what Tivva was doing. Onya Greg. :clap

Harvey was the leading possession getter on the ground Rosy. Having said that, I don't think either had that much impact on the result really as neither got many damaging possessions...both kicked a goal - and I already mentioned Tivendale's as a nice effort.

We're yet to see Greg reach the levels of desperation and effort he had earlier in the season and he's been just ok IMO for the last 4-5 games. As a senior midfielder he's due for a couple of good ones - he's had 80 possessions in the last 5 games at an average of only 16 a game. Over the same period Nathan Foley has had 67 possessions, many of them first use in the centre ones, and unlike Tivendale, he spends significant time on the bench. Polo is a similar case with 66. Tambling similar again has had 64. Raines has had 85. Deledio has had 70 and missed a whole match.

I'd be the first to say stats don't tell the full story, but the above is a strong indication that over the last five weeks, first and second year players are very close to Tivendale's output, while spending significant game time on the bench, and arguably each of them has been having more overall contribution during the period.

Coughlan has had 121 possessions in the period mentioned, Tuck has had 105...these are the sort of outputs Tivendale should be somewhere near, and in his first five games he was with 108 possessions. His output has dropped around 30% since then, which is the point I'm making about him having had an average 4-5 last games. He can do better. I'm not getting up him at all, just like to see him regain what he was doing at the start of the season sometime soon. He'll quite simply be overtaken by the youngsters if he can't. With a mature body, full game time and years of experience he should be way in front of them, but he's not and they're closing quickly.

If you're suggesting he's in the process of being reinvented as a tagger, then he'll have to keep his opponent to a few less than 27 possessions in atrocious weather playing with a losing midfield before he gets my vote, or I say he was anything better than ok.
 
imho razor, harvey had absolutely no impact on the game, i dont care how many possies he had, hence i give a tick to tivers on that performance.
 
Jools said:
Foggy and a strange smell at times.
Was that the burnt coffee/toast like smell coming from the Punt Rd End, Jools?
 
blaisee said:
imho razor, harvey had absolutely no impact on the game, i dont care how many possies he had, hence i give a tick to tivers on that performance.


Spot on blaisee. Harvey is talented enough to tear us to bits but his possessions, although numerous, didn't hurt us at all. On the other hand I think the attack Greg set up really benefited our team and I gave him 2 votes for it. Greg is really working hard for us both on and off the ball. A very valuable player this year and I'm glad he's turned it around. :clap
 
Rayzorwire said:
If you're suggesting he's in the process of being reinvented as a tagger, then he'll have to keep his opponent to a few less than 27 possessions in atrocious weather playing with a losing midfield before he gets my vote, or I say he was anything better than ok.

I wasn't suggesting that at all.  Tivva stuck on Harvey all day but it wasn't a negative role as a tagger might play.  27 possessions isn't a concern if they don't really advantage his team.  It's common for players to rack up large possession counts the way the game's being played this year.

Greg may have only had one goal but his delivery into 50 gave our forwards a decent advantage.  I haven't seen the stats.  How many into 50's did he have?  I'd be surprised if he didn't lead that stat.  One that interests me more highly than overall possession tally.

Not sure about the atrocious weather comment in regard to number of possessions. It was freezing cold no doubt but there was no rain and I didn't notice too much wind influence. Would be interested to know if the fog made breathing difficult out there.
 
rosy23 said:
Rayzorwire said:
If you're suggesting he's in the process of being reinvented as a tagger, then he'll have to keep his opponent to a few less than 27 possessions in atrocious weather playing with a losing midfield before he gets my vote, or I say he was anything better than ok.

I wasn't suggesting that at all.  Tivva stuck on Harvey all day but it wasn't a negative role as a tagger might play.  27 possessions isn't a concern if they don't really advantage his team.  It's common for players to rack up large possession counts the way the game's being played this year.

Greg may have only had one goal but his delivery into 50 gave our forwards a decent advantage.  I haven't seen the stats.  How many into 50's did he have?  I'd be surprised if he didn't lead that stat.  One that interests me more highly than overall possession tally.

Not sure about the atrocious weather comment in regard to number of possessions.  It was freezing cold no doubt but there was no rain and I didn't notice too much wind influence.  Would be interested to know if the fog made breathing difficult out there.

I thought Tivvers played serviceably today. I wouldnt expect him to get as many possessions as a Coughlan or a Tuck as he is a link player, an outside player. He gave alot of drive in that second half. and the goal he kicked was inspirational not only the authoritive way he kicked the goal, but the fact that he setup the initial handball. He did make a few mistakes, I still think at times he is tryng to drill the ball too hard and fast which does make it difficult to control for the receiver. However, very valuable contribution today.

Brown showed his true class. To come back from so many games away and perform the way he did just shows his importance. That setting up of the goal in the 3rd quarter where he held the ball right until the perfect moment and then handballed was champagne to watch.

Deledio got alot of possessions but feel he still needs a bit more confidence. A few times I thought he held on the ball after a mark for too long, but gee he's a strong mark and very quick and is going to be a star.

Meyer was great. Opportunistic goals, quick hands, still getting run down once or twice too often, but great to see him taking them on, and will only improve with further experience. Liked his game alot. Do people see him playing predominantly forward?

Krakouer, doesn't always go in. At one stage he was running beside a North player streaming towards goal. Not sure what the go was there. Goal, where Simmonds crashed through and deftly handballed to him was a great goal, but need to see alot more of it.

Pettifer, it just astounds me how he gets so much space. It's clear why, he just runs and runs. Browny mentioned that he was tested for distance in Geelong match and run 18 kilometres. He has improved in that area immensely, and the rewards are showing. I know he kicked 4 goals, but the highlight for me, was when he broke through a tackle on the half-forward flank and running out of space on the boudary deftly snapped the ball arund to Simmonds who subsequently kicked a long goal. He is kickin goals but also setting up goals. Then his defensive play when pushed into the backline in the last quarter. He's just inspirational atm.

Simmonds, no need to say anything, he's a pickup and an asset. I had total faith in him as he improved towards the end of last year and has proven his worth as a flexible player in the ruck and in the forward line. His mobilitiy is a huge advantage, and todays game wa massive.

Hall, beaten by a very good player today in Thompson until he was taken off him. Once taken off Thompson he scrambled quite well, but still had 2 brain fades, the worst was the free kick in the goal square. Was right behind the goals and couldnt believe the way Hall was holding Thompson to prevent him from leading. It was just way too obvious. The second was when he ran into the front of (I think it was Thompson) without watching the ball and gave away an obvious free kick. Saying that some of his scrambling ground work, and handballs were good especially in the third quarter.

Finally a mention to P Bowden, much maligned before even his first game by some. Played a great game today. I just think his flexibility in playing both ends of the grounds is going to be a great asset to have.

Jus for the record, that goal that Rawlings kicked where it bounced through for a goal, he was NOT having a shot. Was right there and could see him look up at a North player running from centre-half forward towards goal. He went for him and luckily the ball rolled through. The luck went both ways today.

Umpiring, didnt think it was anywhere near as bad as Fremantle. Still some puzzling decisions, but in Oz Rules, with grey rules, thats going to happen in every match. Report on Tambling was soft, also 50 metres to Pettifer, in light of the trend of decisions for the night.

Great win by the Tigers, defeating two hoodoos, North Mebourne and the month of June. Hoodoos being killed every match, thats a very very good sign.

Cheers
 
Why is it that a losing game gets a longer game day thread than a winning one? Oh yes and where are Diggler and Laff this week?
 
CarnTheTiges said:
Tivva may have had less possessions than Harvey, but he had far more impact on the game.


Totally agree CTT - enjoyed his kicking and hard running yesterday.
 
CarnTheTiges said:
Why is it that a losing game gets a longer game day thread than a winning one? Oh yes and where are Diggler and Laff this week?
Because the losing game thread carries too much fat caused by Dribbler and Laff.
 
Just arrived back in Canberra after a fantastic weekend at the footy - what a win, what an atmosphere, what a great bunch of Tiges supporters! Loved the Roar when Browny kicked his first goal and singing the song over and over at the end was the icing on the cake. Viva la Toigs I say, viva la Toigs. Good things are coming, I can feel it in me waters.
 
blaisee said:
imho razor, harvey had absolutely no impact on the game, i dont care how many possies he had, hence i give a tick to tivers on that performance.

I agree Blaisee, possessions are just numbers and Harvey didn't have much impact, said as much above. But I don't think Tivendale did either...certainly nowhere near enough to justify votes...I thought there were quite a few well ahead of him in quality output. Nor do I think Tivendale directly limited Harvey's effectiveness; much like our midfield of a couple of years back, Harvey's getting plenty of it but finding little around him in terms of forward set up or teammates running and creating which can allow him to be damaging.

rosy23 said:
Greg may have only had one goal but his delivery into 50 gave our forwards a decent advantage. I haven't seen the stats. How many into 50's did he have? I'd be surprised if he didn't lead that stat. One that interests me more highly than overall possession tally.

Just like a possession tally, inside 50 stats are only as meaningful as the end result. I don't recall Tivendale setting up numerous goals from his inside 50's, if he had I'd be happy to say his possessions were damaging...overall I thought not that many of his 19 were.

rosy23 said:
Not sure about the atrocious weather comment in regard to number of possessions. It was freezing cold no doubt but there was no rain and I didn't notice too much wind influence. Would be interested to know if the fog made breathing difficult out there.

The overall stats for both sides indicate that it wasn't a day for high possession counts. I assume it was at least a little wet under foot, and as you say, freezing.

GoodOne said:
I thought Tivvers played serviceably today. I wouldnt expect him to get as many possessions as a Coughlan or a Tuck as he is a link player, an outside player. He gave alot of drive in that second half. and the goal he kicked was inspirational not only the authoritive way he kicked the goal, but the fact that he setup the initial handball. He did make a few mistakes, I still think at times he is tryng to drill the ball too hard and fast which does make it difficult to control for the receiver. However, very valuable contribution today.

Good report all up GoodOne. Disagreed with the odd thing but nothing to take issue over. ;) ;D

Tivendale's possession count has been up as high if not higher than Tuck and Coughlan in the recent past, but his output has dropped noticeably (~30%) since the beginning of the season. Again, I'm not having a go at him, just think he's playing below what he did earlier in the year...his tackle count, 1%rs etc. have all headed along the same downward trend. I think the stats of our younger brigade were very relevant by way of comparison and assessing just how well he is going at present.

I agree that his 'drilling' mentality with his kicking delivery harms his effectiveness in going forward...it's one of the reasons I don't class that many of his possessions as truly hurting the opposition...just a stat.

Having said all that, he's certainly having his best season since 2001 and has helped the team a lot more...plenty to like about that.
 
Tivendale's "drilling" of the football is something the coaching staff have been working on with him for a while. They feel he's forcing the ball too much when its not absolutely necessary i.e. softer and more reliable kicks will get the job done just as well.

They want him to ease up in the last two steps before he delivers and not kick so hard at it when he's delivering to a team mate - especially on a head on lead.
 
Redford said:
Tivendale's "drilling" of the football is something the coaching staff have been working on with him for a while. They feel he's forcing the ball too much when its not absolutely necessary i.e. softer and more reliable kicks will get the job done just as well.

They want him to ease up in the last two steps before he delivers and not kick so hard at it when he's delivering to a team mate - especially on a head on lead.

Good to hear they're working on it Red. A well weighted pass out in front beats a bullet pass every time.