Time for a spot of perspective

[Disco08]

Put a fully fit Brown, Coughlan and Simmonds in this team and it would be a totally different proposition..

 

[Puntrd64]

My perspective on 2007 so far.

1. After 2006, Wallace thought the squad was better than it was. As much as we may have seemed to have improved after the first 5 rounds, the improvement overall is still questionable in relative terms to others.
2. Wallace did not take enough pre season training, perhaps because he thought the squad was better than it is.
3. The medical handling of Coughlan and Brown in particular was poor. Wallace made this worse with the famous spin doctoring on Brown.
4. Wallace's handling of Kellaway last year and Gaspar this year was poor, regardless of whether they should have been moved on or not. ( Gaspar's after being selected in particular).
5.

 

[Puntrd64]

5. After losing so poorly to Footscray last year and copping the infamous sledging form the Dogs, we have backed that effort up with a worse one this year against the Cats, who were under their own psychological pump.

However to end on a brighter note, the ruck stocks at Richmond at the moment are deplorable so I congratulate Foley for getting so much ball in the middle.

 

[feisty tige]

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/season_idx.html

This site is quite good, it can help with perspective. We were too competitive between 96-2000 without playing finals, we should have bottomed out then... he he he... kidding...

 

[Liverpool]

thats a bit of sensationalist crap.

fitzroy/brisbane and the kangas were a miserable failure/basket case for decades and decades.
port has more members and and a lot more $$$$$$$'s to spend and the other 2 are the 2 most successful clubs in the vfl's history.

in terms of where we stand as successful clubs in the VFL/AFL we are still well ahead of the likes of the doggies, cats, melbourne, stkilda and collingwood who between them have 2 premierships in the last 50 odd years

Over the last 20 years....Brisbane/Fitzroy have been more successful...Port more successful....the Kangas more successful.....the Dogs, Demons, Saints, Cats, and Magpies have all made the finals quite regularly....even though they've all had certains eason which have been worse than us.

Sensationlist crap?

No....it's reality mate.

In 20 years, we've made 2 prelim finals....thats all.

The difference is, that the clubs named above have more peaks than troughs....we're as we've had one big bloody Grand canyon.

 

[pahoffm]

brisbane arent anything special, they just have a gun leadership group and a bunch of kids who are tough as nails, if brown goes down they are finished!

port adelaide on the other hand have done well and are a team i rate, lots of hardness and real quality in their young kids and the cornes boys are the heart and soul

laughable to compare our group to these other clubs, we are no where near it

keep the faith though

The difference between Brisbane & us is that Brisbane have that core of premiership players to build around, so does Port Adelaide, we don't.

Half the reason we won 1980 was because we carried over that core that had been involved in 1973 & 74.

Makes the job that much harder.
But we'll keep at it.

 

[mb64]

Put a fully fit Brown, Coughlan and Simmonds in this team and it would be a totally different proposition..

Of the 3 Simmonds is probably the only one will will ever have fully fit again.

 

[feisty tige]

I took from those stats that in:

1996 we missed finals because of half a game
1997 we missed finals because of 1 game and percentage
1998 we missed finals because of percentage
1999 we missed finals because of 2 games
2000 we missed finals because of 1 game and percentage

2001 Finals

Down hill from there because our coach drafted for top up players, lost some older players and didn't get quality kids when needed. We all know the story.

 

[Disco08]

Of the 3 Simmonds is probably the only one will will ever have fully fit again.

Still, they're arguably our 3 best players (Richo might knock one out) and 2 of them have hardly played at all during Wallet's time at Richmond. Taking the 3 best players off any list is going to test any club, let alone one rebuilding from a list handed down from one of the worst coaches and administrations in history.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Put a fully fit Brown, Coughlan and Simmonds in this team and it would be a totally different proposition..

Of the 3 Simmonds is probably the only one will will ever have fully fit again.

As Disco says it doesn't change the fact that we are missing 2-3 of our best players.

Surprised Wallace hasn't made more of an issue of that.

Whilst not a complete excuse there's little doubt injuries have made a fair impact on our season.

 

[Liverpool]

As Disco says it doesn't change the fact that we are missing 2-3 of our best players.

Surprised Wallace hasn't made more of an issue of that.

Whilst not a complete excuse there's little doubt injuries have made a fair impact on our season.

Yeah, of course it has...look at Melbourne, for a good example.

But even though I agree that we need a core of players, and that we have injuries, and that we have drafted well in the past.....I accept all these reasons, and agree....it is still no excuse to lose a game by 157 points.
We still have 22 players wearing a Tigers jumper against 22 players wearing a Cats jumper.

 

[GoodOne]

some common sense. one thing i realised after the last 2 days is that the average richmond supporter wouldn't have a clue, they wouldn't know if there arses were on fire. i am glad i consider myself a little more informed

Hey Lids your arse is on fire

 

[Lidsand]

there is a lot of burning going on in here

 

[WesternTiger]

Hi Rosy,

In the hope of answering your question.

There has been a very large gap in our list between the 21yos and the 27yos.
It comes from poor recruiting that was done between 1998 to 2003.

As our mature players from 3 years ago slip into the twilight zone, the juniors just can't age quickly enough. You can't expect 18-21yos to play like 24-25yos.

That's why it's a problem that will be there, but getting better over the next 4 years.

What I do have as a gripe is that we have Simmonds, Richo, Knobel, Hall all 27yo+, and then next understudies to them are only 2 players, Pattison & Graham who are both 21yo or less.

That's the crime I have continually pointed the finger at Greg & Terry for.
Over the last 3 years we should have amassed 4-5 quality boys U21yo who were 195cm+.

And everyone has pointed the finger back at me and said "Recruit the best available regardless of type."

I say "Pptteh!" on your "Recruit the best available."
It has damaged our junior list and we will pay for now over the next 4 years.

Rosy,
This draft is a crucial one for the Tigers.
If we don't rectify this problem on our list with our junior talls in this draft, you can forget about Terry's 2011.

Take a look at Hawthorn
Franklin's taken 3 years to get where he is now.
Roughead is still to get there.

Junior talls recruited in 2007 will take until 2011 to develop, maybe longer.

I'll point my finger at Greg, Francis & Terry now and say, if the situation with our junior talls is not rectified this draft, they've lost me.

I can be patient, but patience has a limit.

Until then, I will work my butt off to provide them with as much info as I can about all the players coming up in the draft.

On those grounds Phanto would it be worth going after Dowler if we have the 1st pick in the preseason draft?

Thats if we cannot get Judd

 

[Skills]

None of these clubs panicked. Not even Carlton, not even after three spoons in four years.

Under all the scrutiny & penalties handed down by the AFL in 2002, they still managed to select Kade Simpson, with what pick TOT70? Did you say 60? 70?

 

[FightingFury]

Im a little more alarmed than most of you.

The lack of leadership leaves the juniors with no one to learn from, or look up to from within.
Thats unhealthy IMO.
I'm not convinced that our youngsters are any better than most other clubs either.
There seems to be a lack of progression and development from guys who should be performing now (Jackson,Krakouer,Moore ect) and blue chip guys like Lids and Tambling are still only marginally better than their first year.
Im certainly not the injuries excuse for being poor either.
Most clus have had greater injury and suspension than us and all bar one have managed a win.
I can't believe the club hasn't learned from its ignorance of structure either.
When Stafford retired, who was recruited for his absence in the ruck division?
What is our proportion of KP to the myriad of 6ft flankers with poor skill levels?

I dunno, the sun just hasn't come out in my footballing world this week.

 

[Tigerfan]

Re: Time for a spot of perspective

we've won 2 of our last 14 quarters, since half time v collingwood.

we're on the bottom, winless, poor %

16 games to go; all teams and Port twice - 5 interstate

if we finish 9th again i'll spew

 

[tha8ball]

Browny is back training well and so is thursfield, Kingsley did very well in the twos.... we could possibly have a team in a few weeks that looks like:

FB: White McGuane Thursfield
HB: Raines Polak J.Bowden
C: Deledio Newman J.Oakley-Nicholls
HF: Tambling Hughes Richo
FF: Brown Schulz Kingsley

R. Simmonds, Foley, Polo

I. Tivendale, Tuck, Johnson, Riewoldt

E. Pettifer, Edwards, Pattison

...gee thats not that bad ....do i live in hope?

...back to the assignments :-X