I agree Antman, but lately its been impossible to have an intelligent discussion about much because every thread gets hijacked by those who seem to have lost all perspective on individuals, the coach and even what following a team is about. I log onto PRE specifically to get debate, ideas, perspectives- but the analysis during pre-season and the first three rounds has been largely insane. cheap shot after cheap shot. I wish the 'senior' posters on the site, - like GPB, MB, TOO, Phantom, Craig, and the others (you know who you are).. would show some 'leadership' out on the ground and raise the standard of discussion. Other posters should open their eyes and get a new mind-set about their team or go elsewhere.