Tonight's board meeting

[notorious219]

The board took the soft option. Big surprise! TW is a dead man walking. Change is desperately needed and what do we get the same old same old. The media are going to have a field with this club as we lose game after game. Mid year review! As if we need it. Isn't the writing already on the wall? Looks like we're going to follow the demise of Frawley to the letter. Brilliant strategy!

Can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with Patrick Smith. We should have given TW his marching orders last year and saved ourselves all this angst.

 

[JR8]

Leysy reckons the board has this right.

Everything should be geared towards having us in the best shape to get the best coach possible for next season.

Perseption is everything & Right or wrong, sacking Wallet after 4 rounds will have some excellent prospective candidates putting a line through Richmond. Malthouse is already on record as saying he would never go to a club sacking it's coach after 4 rounds.

Wallet will fall on his own sword in due course & it will set us up better to get the best coach we possibly can. That's the important part here ILO.

Everything else is secondary.

Legendary post Leysy!! :clap

 

[Liverpool]

Ok so because the board did a backflip on the drafting of Cousins then its ok for them to continue on in the same trend. Its called learning from your mistakes.

PS I can sense that you are angry Liverpool. It wouldnt be because of that 4-4 draw this morning that has left Liverpool as the bridesmaid once again?

This club doesn't learn from its mistakes....15+ years of poor recruiting is proof of this.

What we have between now and round-12 will be the the continual media circus at the club and at the games, "will Terry survive the round-12 review or not".
Its simply a farce.

And unless we have some almight turnaround......then the only option come round-12 will be to see Wallace be axed...so in effect he is a dead man walking.

Now, let me put it this way.....if you were told by your boss that there is a good chance you would be sacked in 2 months time.....how hard would you try for your employer?

Will the players listen to a coach who is going to be gone come mid-season?
Will the players now get worse considering their own contracts and job security and therefore ignoring 'teamwork and sacrifice' for "individual glory" instead?

P.S:
Oh no, I'm not angry about Liverpool...they've had an almighty season...but I am angry at the Tigers and after 15+ years of being a paid-up member and going week in, week out...I think I have that right to be a bit pissed-off with the carrying-ons at Punt Road.
If the Tigers showed half the heart the my Redman show, we wouldn't be down the bottom and a laughing stock of the competition, on and off the field.

 

[gustiger12]

Ever thought of it this way. Now that the coaching position is understood by all, lets face it, he's gone, all that remains to be seen is the timings, so maybe the players now might start playing like their careers depend on it, because it does, they can't rely on the heat being put back on the coach for another week now.

As Leysy say's the most important thing now is they do their due dilligence and make absolutes sure they get the next appointment right. And if it takes em from now to Xmas so be it. They must get this one right.

 

[BrisTiger24]

Ever thought of it this way. Now that the coaching position is understood by all, lets face it, he's gone, all that remains to be seen is the timings, so maybe the players now might start playing like their careers depend on it, because it does, they can't rely on the heat being put back on the coach for another week now.

I agree Gus. I mentioned in another thread that Cameron would be crossing out players with his red pen by the week. Prospective coaches would be doing the same. The players should recognise this and they have 18 weeks to show that they are AFL players and deserve to stay to play in the next Richmond premiership. The ball is in their court.

One thing is for sure. I wouldn't want to be a player delisted this year. All clubs will be loading up with juniors in this year's drafts and there will be little, if any, recycling.

 

[Disco08]

This club doesn't learn from its mistakes....15+ years of poor recruiting is proof of this.

What we have between now and round-12 will be the the continual media circus at the club and at the games, "will Terry survive the round-12 review or not".
Its simply a farce.

And unless we have some almight turnaround......then the only option come round-12 will be to see Wallace be axed...so in effect he is a dead man walking.

Now, let me put it this way.....if you were told by your boss that there is a good chance you would be sacked in 2 months time.....how hard would you try for your employer?

Will the players listen to a coach who is going to be gone come mid-season?
Will the players now get worse considering their own contracts and job security and therefore ignoring 'teamwork and sacrifice' for "individual glory" instead?

P.S:
Oh no, I'm not angry about Liverpool...they've had an almighty season...but I am angry at the Tigers and after 15+ years of being a paid-up member and going week in, week out...I think I have that right to be a bit p!ssed-off with the carrying-ons at Punt Road.
If the Tigers showed half the heart the my Redman show, we wouldn't be down the bottom and a laughing stock of the competition, on and off the field.

What would you do Livers?

 

[Baloo]

Surely u jest Boo Boo

No, I reckon Wallet is a very good match day tactician. It's just that at the moment he's too busy trying to get his fabled game plan working rather than working on the day. Adelaide comes to mind, and the way we broke down hawthorns cluster last year by gooing around the outside are two examples that spring to mind. If he concentrated on that I reckon we'd be playing better.

 

[jb03]

What would you do Livers?

Blame Rudd.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

What would you do Livers?

If only Spain produced AFL players

 

[Baloo]

If only Spain produced AFL players

heh, get them playing the game and they make loyd look like a player that stays on his feet at all costs.

 

[Smoking Aces]

This club doesn't learn from its mistakes....15+ years of poor recruiting is proof of this.

What we have between now and round-12 will be the the continual media circus at the club and at the games, "will Terry survive the round-12 review or not".
Its simply a farce.

And unless we have some almight turnaround......then the only option come round-12 will be to see Wallace be axed...so in effect he is a dead man walking.

Now, let me put it this way.....if you were told by your boss that there is a good chance you would be sacked in 2 months time.....how hard would you try for your employer?

Will the players listen to a coach who is going to be gone come mid-season?
Will the players now get worse considering their own contracts and job security and therefore ignoring 'teamwork and sacrifice' for "individual glory" instead?

P.S:
Oh no, I'm not angry about Liverpool...they've had an almighty season...but I am angry at the Tigers and after 15+ years of being a paid-up member and going week in, week out...I think I have that right to be a bit p!ssed-off with the carrying-ons at Punt Road.
If the Tigers showed half the heart the my Redman show, we wouldn't be down the bottom and a laughing stock of the competition, on and off the field.

Liverpool at the end of the day the club needs to hold strong here and not worry what the media are going to say on a week to week basis. I can guarrantee you we will still cop the wrath of the media if we sack Wallace now.

The RFC number 1 priority is to sell itself to the prospective coaches out there. By doing that they need to show that RFC is a united club that can withstand buckling to external pressures. Also it needs to show that it supports its staff regardless of the situation the club finds itself in. The best way to show this is stick to the process that they have been preaching since half way through last year - that is the mid season review.

If we were 4-0 and not 0-4 would you be asking the club to extend Wallaces contract now or wait until the mid season review??

 

[Brodders17]

Well said. I agree.

About giving Wallace instructions to play the kids, do people really believe that the board would tell Wallace in private "look mate, your gone, so play the kids so we can have a bright future without you".....

Rubbish, the only way we will be able to this is if we get a caretaker coach in who doesn't aspire to have the senior gig (hence my suggestion of Rawlings, the Coburg VFL coach) and give him the instructions to play the kids.....

Disagree.
"look mate, your gone, so play the kids so we can have a bright future without you"..... you could add to that "and at least you can claim the legacy." if as most claim TW is motivated by ego wouldnt he still have an interest in the future. he would hope that players he has brought to the club and developed are the ones that lead us to success. he can then write his paper article saying this was his plan, similar to one he wrote bout the doggies a year or 2 ago.

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

The players should recognise this and they have 18 weeks to show that they are AFL players and deserve to stay to play in the next Richmond premiership. The ball is in their court.

The players who will be part of the next Richmond premiership haven't even been born yet!

 

[Tigers of Old]

Leysy reckons the board has this right.

Everything should be geared towards having us in the best shape to get the best coach possible for next season.

Perseption is everything & Right or wrong, sacking Wallet after 4 rounds will have some excellent prospective candidates putting a line through Richmond. Malthouse is already on record as saying he would never go to a club sacking it's coach after 4 rounds.

Wallet will fall on his own sword in due course & it will set us up better to get the best coach we possibly can. That's the important part here ILO.

Everything else is secondary.

Agree totally with this.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

If this is the case, what is the fundamental point in retaining a coach, that me, you guys and the rest of the world know is not our coach no longer?

I am absolutely shocked that some posters can realise that Wallace is gone, has his papers stamped, is no longer our coach, yet, think it's a great decision to have him keep on coaching, keep on being the face of our club, keep on having the greatest stake in our playing list development and future.

Because there is a right way and wrong way to do things.

We have resolutely said and March has personally repeated constantly, we have a Coach under a 5 year contract and we will honour that. A decision on that contract will be made mid-season (Round 11) in 2009.

No mobs were calling for Wallace to be sacked before the season started or even at the end of 08 after it was made clear he would continue coaching in 2009. So what's the difference now? We are 4 rounds into a season and we have not only lost every game but looked shocking in the process.

Wallace must go, HOWEVER all this really means is the decision has just about been made easier for them. It would take a miracle turnaround from here to change anything.

However the integrity of a club and board are at question here. How we support our people, what our word is worth and how professional out processes are. To allow Wallace at the end of 08 to go into 09 as Coach only to sack him 4 games in (which is virtually unheard of) would be the same as Wallace allowing gaspar to stay on the list and then advising him in the first quarter of the season youth would be played before him.

I think people's dissapointment and frustration with Wallace is clouding their judgement and they are now happy to do the things they have bagged Wallace for. Making things up as we go along.

There are many respected figures in football who think it is ludicruous for a) a club to sack a coach 4 games in and b) not support a coach at all midseason let alone now. There are also some who support a mideseason sacking though Ihaven't heard anyone support a Round 4 sacking. It's just not done or professional.

People who have respect for the Board (which appears to be most on here) have to understand we would be a laughing stock (yes more than we are now) and the media would have a field day with us sacking a coach after Round 4 and then you can kiss all your Hardwicks and the like good bye, just like when we appointed Frawley. The amount of people who knocked us back from a interview or withdrew from the process was staggering, because we were a joke. Sacking a coach after 4 games would badly hurt us again in a seach for a coach, make no mistake.

People want to know they will be supported in tough times, that a Board's word means somethign and that there are genuine processes in place. No respectable coach wants to work for a club that buckles to media/public pressure.

The best avenue to find the best coach is to be seen to support the existing one as to our word, which is reasonable. Revising someone's contract at the half way point of their last contracted season. No coach would ever agree to be assessed 4 games into a season and to do so is highly unprofessional.

We must fly under the radar on this one, there is no "quiet" road but this believe it or not is the closest to a low profile. You think Barrett has a field day now, wait until you saw what he would do if we sacked a coach after 4 games we agreed to let coach for 2009. Appoint Sheedy? That would attract a massive circus and distraction and create further angst in supporters.

We need to be devoid of such distractions, concentrate on our internal reviews, research who the best Coach is out there and pursue them with a credible offer from a credible Board and really focus on what we need, where we went wrong before and during that process without fielding media circuses.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

Well we've got to harden up and roll out the panzers once the season is lost and force whoever the coach is to play the kids. Perhaps we can achieve that as well with a lame duck coach as we are with an ambitious assistant coach who sees the job as an audition for next year.

I don't mind who is coaching really as long as Punt Road looks like the Russia in 1942.

I keep telling you mate, you need to lay off those war movies for a bit. Isn't watching the fallout at Punt Road every year enough for you? :hihi

 

[Saladin]

Scorched earth policy nice
actually most of western Russia ( up to the Don River ) in 1942 was mostly Nazi..It wasnt until Stalingrad and Kursk in 1943 that the Ruskies started turing things around....Up until then the Jerries had it all their own way. The Russkies never let them off the hook after that...and we all know what happened to Berlin in 1945...

Here endeth the history lesson.

 

[Scoop]

Leysy reckons the board has this right.

Everything should be geared towards having us in the best shape to get the best coach possible for next season.

Perseption is everything & Right or wrong, sacking Wallet after 4 rounds will have some excellent prospective candidates putting a line through Richmond. Malthouse is already on record as saying he would never go to a club sacking it's coach after 4 rounds. Wallet will fall on his own sword in due course & it will set us up better to get the best coach we possibly can. That's the important part here ILO.

Everything else is secondary.

Agree with all that. Really agree with the bold part.

 

[gustiger12]

Agree Jack. Now Terry should take a leaf out of his own history book from back in 2007 I think it was when we murdered the Magpies late in the season and he claims the reason was he lifted the shackles and gave the players a bit of licence. He needs to do the same. Challenge them to see how many goals they can kick for a game. Tell them to play direct fast, hard running football, take the risks and more importantly enjoy the gmes. See what happens.

In his before the game speech offer three word of advice. "Go for it"

What does he have to lose..

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Scorched earth policy nice
actually most of western Russia ( up to the Don River ) in 1942 was mostly Nazi..It wasnt until Stalingrad and Kursk in 1943 that the Ruskies started turing things around....Up until then the Jerries had it all their own way. The Russkies never let them off the hook after that...and we all know what happened to Berlin in 1945...

Here endeth the history lesson.

Not quite that ambitious, I was mainly referring to the fact that both armies on the Eastern Front made extensive use of the Tank...

Although if Plough is a history fan I’m sure he now relates a great deal to General Paulus.

I keep telling you mate, you need to lay off those war movies for a bit. Isn't watching the fallout at Punt Road every year enough for you? :hihi

*sigh* Indeed. We appear to have chosen the football equivalent of being Poland