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timYCW#7

timYCW#7

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These are the outcomes of our trades from 1999 through to 2008. I have included draft picks in 'gained' and 'lost' sections, for example, in 2005 we recieved Patrick Bowden for pick 56, which ended up being Joel Patfull.
Discuss.


1999 Gained: 1999 Lost:
Leon Cameron Steven McKee
Clinton King FAIL Justin Plapp
Scott Homewood Mitch Hahn
Aaron Fiora Ryan Hargraves
Danny Roach

2001 Gained: 2001 Lost:
Paul Hudson FAIL Nick Daffy
Greg Stafford James Kelly
Josh Houlahan

2002 Gained: 2002 Lost:
Justin Blumfield Jason Torney
Kane Johnson FAIL Tristan Cartledge
Jay Schulz Daniel Wells
Tim Fleming Luke Jericho

2003 Gained: 2003 Lost:
Nathan Brown FAIL Ben Holland
Alex Gilmour Kepler Bradley
Sam Butler

2004 Gained: 2004 Lost:
Troy Simmonds FAIL Bradd Ottens
Danny Meyer Aaron Fiora
Adam Pattison

2005 Gained: 2005 Lost:
Patrick Bowden Fail Joel Pattful

2006 Gained: 2006 Lost:
Graham Polak Probably success Ben Reid
Jack Riewoldt Depending on who ends up better out of Reid and Riewoldt.

2007 Gained: 2007 Lost:
Mitch Morton Sam Reid
Jordan McMahon Callan Ward
Epic Fail on one, probable success on another.

2008 Gained: 2008 Lost:
Adam Thomson Mitchell Banner

Outcome yet to be seen.
 
can we have the draft pick rather than the player taken with that pick. just because the bulldogs took ward at 19 does it mean rfc would have if we kept the pick, in fact we know we would have taken selwood.
 
Why was 2003 a fail. We gained Nathan Brown, an got rid of Ben Holland. Kepler Bradley has done nothing, and Sam Butler shows promise but is oft injured.

Yeah, we only got nothing out of Gilmour, but on balance, we probably came out slightly ahead in 2003 year.
 
Streak said:
Why was 2003 a fail. We gained Nathan Brown, an got rid of Ben Holland. Kepler Bradley has done nothing, and Sam Butler shows promise but is oft injured.

Yeah, we only got nothing out of Gilmour,
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Fail
 
timYCW#7 said:
These are the outcomes of our trades from 1999 through to 2008. I have included draft picks in 'gained' and 'lost' sections, for example, in 2005 we recieved Patrick Bowden for pick 56, which ended up being Joel Patfull.
Discuss.
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Bit harsh Tora, or were you anticipating my post ;D

Interesting set of facts Timygirl.

There are different criteria by which you can adjudicate success or failure.

1999 Mitch Hahn was a real miss, but Ryan Hargrave has really only just hit his straps after a long apprenticeship, but then Leon Cameron was sorely needed at the time and straightened the Tigers up at a time when we were very soft skill wise coming out of the backline. Fail? yes, but not abject failure when you consider we got service from King and Cameron and a lesser extent Fiora (but did help to get Simmonds).

2000 No trading? Was probably our most successful draft too, picking up Pettifer, Coughlan, Hyde and Newman. Now I'm not debating the players merits, but for sheer games played, it was successful. Interesting.

2001 Hudson was right up there with Kint Kungsley as our worst pick ups. Daffy was a loss, but I think we benefited from the Big Staff - it was a square out based on different needs. Missing Kelly was like missing Hahn. It wasn't Josh Hooleydooley, it was was Adam, who could play a bit, but not often enough. We also drafted Rodan, Hyde (again eh Craig :hihi ) and McGrath who could have been anything but became nothing. Fail? yeah, just.

2002 Blumfield was a huge disappointment. Should have delivered more. Kane was a great get, Schulz looked the goods early, and Fleming cleared some trees ;). Kane vs Torney was a clear winner for the Tiges (and I like Torney a lot). Wells? Amazing talent, but has he delivered that much - at his best a huge miss. Schulz and Jericho, but I repeat myself. Cartledge :rofl But look who we drafted >:( Sipthorp and Billy Nicholls :help It's a fail based on potential probably, but very line ball on outcomes.

2003 Nathan Brown vs Keppler, Holland and Butler. You can't call that a fail. I'd bank that every day. Drafted just OK with current players Jackson, Tuck and Raines.

2004 Losing Ottens was a bit loss, but if his attitude was lost as we were told. Still, Patto was our only real compensation and while Patto is still improving, there was some good football played by Ottens - bit only at times when we were not a real contender so what good or loss was it really. Fiora (indirectly) for Simmonds was overwhelmingly good for us. Still think this could play out better yet. We drafted well with Lids, Bling, Polo and McGuane all playing. Old man Graham served a purpose we were told and Linbach :P Fail? No - line ball.

2005 Bowden for Patful (indirectly) is a loss because Patful is now playing good football, but he was slow to come on initially. Out worst drafting year possibly wit JON, Cleve and Casserly. Fail? Yes - hard to argue.

The following years as you rightly indicate are still work in progress and looking possible, even likely successes.
 
timYCW#7 said:
These are the outcomes of our trades from 1999 through to 2008. I have included draft picks in 'gained' and 'lost' sections, for example, in 2005 we recieved Patrick Bowden for pick 56, which ended up being Joel Patfull.
Discuss.
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Think it's been done too many times already.
 
timYCW#7 said:
for example, in 2005 we recieved Patrick Bowden for pick 56, which ended up being Joel Patfull.
Discuss.
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That's not correct. How did the Lions end up with pick 56 when they weren't involved in ANY trades that year?

If you're going to do this properly, compare P Bo and the player taken by the Bulldogs with our pick, which was Brent Montgomery, who played one-and-a-little-bit seasons. I don't think that's a fail, but I am biased.
 
timYCW#7 said:
These are the outcomes of our trades from 1999 through to 2008. I have included draft picks in 'gained' and 'lost' sections, for example, in 2005 we recieved Patrick Bowden for pick 56, which ended up being Joel Patfull.
Discuss.


1999 Gained: 1999 Lost:
Leon Cameron Steven McKee
Clinton King FAIL Justin Plapp
Scott Homewood Mitch Hahn
Aaron Fiora Ryan Hargraves
Danny Roach

2001 Gained: 2001 Lost:
Paul Hudson FAIL Nick Daffy
Greg Stafford James Kelly
Josh Houlahan

2002 Gained: 2002 Lost:
Justin Blumfield Jason Torney
Kane Johnson FAIL Tristan Cartledge
Jay Schulz Daniel Wells
Tim Fleming Luke Jericho

2003 Gained: 2003 Lost:
Nathan Brown FAIL Ben Holland
Alex Gilmour Kepler Bradley
Sam Butler

2004 Gained: 2004 Lost:
Troy Simmonds FAIL Bradd Ottens
Danny Meyer Aaron Fiora
Adam Pattison

2005 Gained: 2005 Lost:
Patrick Bowden Fail Joel Pattful

2006 Gained: 2006 Lost:
Graham Polak Probably success Ben Reid
Jack Riewoldt Depending on who ends up better out of Reid and Riewoldt.

2007 Gained: 2007 Lost:
Mitch Morton Sam Reid
Jordan McMahon Callan Ward
Epic Fail on one, probable success on another.

2008 Gained: 2008 Lost:
Adam Thomson Mitchell Banner

Outcome yet to be seen.
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Stafford Daffy one was a good one - or were there draft picks as well?
 
FCS, I CANNOT BELIEVE that Jay *smile* has now been at Richmond for SEVEN YEARS, EIGHT YEARS IN 2010 (unless he's traded or he's delisted and paid out).

What a complete load of CRAP that is. It also HIGHLIGHTS just how pathetic our player development programmes have been and what sort of recruiting efforts were made up to around 2005 by the club. Remember the club didn't have a recruiting officer until only a couple of years ago, pretty pathetic given what I would have thought would be a critical role in scouting around looking at the talent pool available come draft time.

Whoever the next Senior Coach is, they have got a lot of work to do in sorting out the Player Development side and possibly even the Recruiting side as well (which is a distraction from their primary task of getting players up to AFL standard).

Given all the above, I'd say its been a pretty lack lustre effort, we've gained only very little out of the drafting/trades, which has been reflected in the playing list and where the Tigers have found themselves at seasons end for a number of years now.
 
Massai said:
FCS, I CANNOT BELIEVE that Jay schulz has now been at Richmond for SEVEN YEARS, EIGHT YEARS IN 2010 (unless he's traded or he's delisted and paid out).

What a complete load of CRAP that is
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Here Here Massai Mara.

I have never forgotten Wallet on White Line fever on fox with Grybas one night going through RFC players that were not good enough, lazy or just deficient.

I clearly remember Wallet before he was coach stating Schulz wasnt up to it for various reasons ..... yet here is Jay still the man who wasnt rated by Wallace prior to his arrival still there when Wallet is gone.

This alone says so much about Teflon and the *smile* poor ineptitude and pure incompetance re drafting trading and list management.

And many wonder why this side is still garbage.
 
craig said:
Here Here Massai Mara.

I have never forgotten Wallet on White Line fever on fox with Grybas one night going through RFC players that were not good enough, lazy or just deficient.

I clearly remember Wallet before he was coach stating Schulz wasnt up to it for various reasons ..... yet here is Jay still the man who wasnt rated by Wallace prior to his arrival still there when Wallet is gone.

This alone says so much about Teflon and the p!ss poor ineptitude and pure incompetance re drafting trading and list management.

And many wonder why this side is still garbage.
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it plainly shows there are no processes in place to properly rate our players ability firstly and performance secondly.
 
The club is *smile* poor in these areas Dear Claws and the results are there for all to see, its undeniable stuff.

One of the major banes of the RFC for past 10 years.
 
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