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Training 19/2/2009 @ Victoria Park

linuscambridge said:
His kicking is about the only thing I do rate. But you are right about the floaters, doesn't seem to follow through with a straight kicking leg. Him and Petts are the same, both kick floaters, both kick very straight.

From a biomechanical point of view, I reckon the bent knee is a reaction to his high trajectory, he has a flaw earlier in his kicking action that leads to floaters. If he continued through with a straight leg the ball may well go back over his head so he leads his kick with his knee. Perhaps leans back too much, perhaps too high with the ball drop, perhaps just a timing issue needing to wait a little longer for the ball to drop onto his foot.
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Pettifer doesnt kick floaters and his technique is absolutely nothing like Steamer's imo. Pettifer kicks up under the ball and can kick it a long way as well. Its one of the few virtues in his game. He's a very good set shot Pettifer. He would slay Steamer in any one on one set shot competition between the two.

Steamer kicks flatter, his upper body contorts towards his knee as his leg is coming up and the ball drop results in heaps of floaters as well. Every now and then it comes off ok, and because its a flat type of trajectory sometimes, everyone thinks "Ooooh what a stylish kick Steamer is" when in fact he misses heaps.
 
Redford said:
Pettifer doesnt kick floaters and his technique is absolutely nothing like Steamer's imo. Pettifer kicks up under the ball and can kick it a long way as well. Its one of the few virtues in his game. He's a very good set shot Pettifer. He would slay Steamer in any one on one set shot competition between the two.

Steamer kicks flatter, his upper body contorts towards his knee as his leg is coming up and the ball drop results in heaps of floaters as well. Every now and then it comes off ok, and because its a flat type of trajectory sometimes, everyone thinks "Ooooh what a stylish kick Steamer is" when in fact he misses heaps.
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I reckon he's been coached to keep his head over the ball when kicking for goal and he's taken it to the extreme. They usually teach people who are either having a bad spell at kicking for goal or have the yips to do this.
 
jayfox said:
I reckon he's been coached to keep his head over the ball when kicking for goal and he's taken it to the extreme. They usually teach people who are either having a bad spell at kicking for goal or have the yips to do this.
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Yeah,there was a perceptable change a few months after he joined the club.

Nevertheless he is a better kick thasn redford gives him credit.
 
evo said:
Yeah,there was a perceptable change a few months after he joined the club.

Nevertheless he is a better kick thasn redford gives him credit.
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You need to get to a few more Coburg games. Floater king.
 
Even his field passing is contrived at times. Has to think about it too much and subsequently produces a slow ball drop a la McGuane.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Certainly be nice to see Clean hand out a Maxwell like bump once in his career.
I guess the Barry Hall haircut is an encouraging start.
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Apparently, on his measly contract, he couldn't afford the amount of hair product he was using anymore.
 
Redford said:
Pettifer doesnt kick floaters and his technique is absolutely nothing like Steamer's imo. Pettifer kicks up under the ball and can kick it a long way as well.

"Ooooh what a stylish kick Steamer is" when in fact he misses heaps.
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Pettifer kicks up and under the ball and it goes a long way??? But it doesn't float?

I get where you are coming from though and by no means compare Pettifer to Cleve. Just check my fruitless defence of Kayne on the Pettifer thread, pretty sure I was the only member of the Kayne Pettifer cheer squad last year and will go to my grave arguing that he was scapegoated for some completely inept team performances early last year.

I think we are talking at cross purposes here. If by floater you mean a ball that does not spin end over end and therefore seems to hang in the air, then yes Cleve has nothing in common with Kayne. I do however believe they both have a similar bent leg on the follow through. Kaynes technique is far from perfect but he has at times led the AFL for inside 50s, so his results speak for themselves.

Cleve has a reputation as a good kick for goal, but with so few possesions it is unlikely he will ever get enough kicks to give us a statistically significant sample size on which to judge.
 
At least Kayne's put his accurate kicking for goal to the test in AFL matches.

Cleve is a long way off the lofty heights of even the P-Train atm, so it could be a while before people get off his back. Cleve needs more than 100 goals in 3 years for a start.
 
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