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TW is to complicated. TAFE hasn't worked.

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U2Tigers

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I have seen some comment that maybe TW is to complicated.

Some say for him to keep it simple stupid.

I totally agree.

Was thinking tonight, I think TW just loves to be seen doing something different.

He wants his name put with these you beaut new ideas.



Time to stop all that Terry and go back to the tried and true methods.

They're football players, not Uni students going for a doctorate. Stop over- complicating it.
 
geoffryprettyboy said:
And what about that NAB Top 15, that was to entertain the kids, what a wank factor that was.
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It's abit of double edged sword though - if we were pushing for the 8 - it probably would've been praised as innovative - instead we are certs for the spoon so it was a wank. :don't know

Didn't mind it for internal rivalry sake - but as a definative measure it meant nothing with no previous years to measure against and nothing at other clubs to measure against.

U2 will vouch for this though - the game board before the Bris game certainly looked more like an Einstein equation of E=mc2 than a game plan.................... big bucks don't always = big brains.
 
pharace said:
U2 will vouch for this though - the game board before the Bris game certainly looked more like an Einstein equation of E=mc2 than a game plan.................... big bucks don't always = big brains.
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Terry is a very bright fellow no doubt. He probably knows more about football than most on this site put together.
You only have to listen to the man talk to know he's sharp. At the very least he's silver tongued hence his success in the media.
However I really do worry about whether the players actually listen to him or at least relate to him.

Most of these guys are not braniacs. They are footballers.
Some are destined to become students of the game but most are not.

Whilst a detailed game plan is important so is preserving instinct.
A footballer doesn't have to be smart to be a smart footballer.

Without being privy to the inner core, at a guess I believe whilst Wallace has been flat out trying to instigate some of his intrinsic mechanisms into the group, he has possibly let other more basic aspects of his coaching suffer. Such as passion, pride in the jumper, accountability, playing for your team mates etc. These are equally as important to instill into a young and impressionable group as highly detailed tactics are.

K.I.S.S.
Not to the point of Frawley but bare in mind that many of these young guys might not be ready for their honors degrees just yet or ever.
 
geoffryprettyboy said:
And what about that NAB Top 15, that was to entertain the kids, what a wank factor that was.
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I thought it was a wank at the time ...... one only has to see the list of top 15 was full of duds like Moore, Tiv and Hyde. :P

Less act and more action is what the RFC requires.
 
U2Tigers said:
Was thinking tonight, I think TW just loves to be seen doing something different.
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Could be the first coach to win 1.5 games in a season - is that different enough.
 
jb03 said:
U2Tigers said:
Was thinking tonight, I think TW just loves to be seen doing something different.
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Could be the first coach to win 1.5 games in a season - is that different enough.
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Off subject but certainly different was the road I saw recently entitled:

"8 & 3/16th Mile Road" - you guessed it, it was just 300 metres from 8 Mile Road - thought at the time it might have been named by Wallace................
 
I often used to wonder when Walls was coach, that he probably had a good intelligent game plan worked out, but the players weren't bright enough to carry it out.

It seems to me that footy is becoming too complicated for the players to understand; my coach used to say you can sum up footy thus:

Either - We have the ball,

They have the ball, or

The ball is in dispute.

If we have the ball, we stop them getting it.

If they have the ball, get it off them.

Maybe if TAFE drummed this into the players, it'd be easier for them to understand! Or isn't it complicated enough for our learned coaches?
 
Nik said:
I often used to wonder when Walls was coach, that he probably had a good intelligent game plan worked out, but the players weren't bright enough to carry it out.

It seems to me that footy is becoming too complicated for the players to understand; my coach used to say you can sum up footy thus:

Either - We have the ball,

They have the ball, or

The ball is in dispute.

If we have the ball, we stop them getting it.

If they have the ball, get it off them.

Maybe if TAFE drummed this into the players, it'd be easier for them to understand! Or isn't it complicated enough for our learned coaches?
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Reckon all of today's AFL players might actaully have the above covered Nik. It goes a little deeper than that......................
 
U2Tigers said:
I have seen some comment that maybe TW is to complicated.

Some say for him to keep it simple stupid.

I totally agree.

Was thinking tonight, I think TW just loves to be seen doing something different.

He wants his name put with these you beaut new ideas.



Time to stop all that Terry and go back to the tried and true methods.

They're football players, not Uni students going for a doctorate. Stop over- complicating it.
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EXACTLY!

Tigers of Old said:
pharace said:
U2 will vouch for this though - the game board before the Bris game certainly looked more like an Einstein equation of E=mc2 than a game plan.................... big bucks don't always = big brains.
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Terry is a very bright fellow no doubt. He probably knows more about football than most on this site put together.
You only have to listen to the man talk to know he's sharp. At the very least he's silver tongued hence his success in the media.
However I really do worry about whether the players actually listen to him or at least relate to him.

Most of these guys are not braniacs. They are footballers.
Some are destined to become students of the game but most are not.

Whilst a detailed game plan is important so is preserving instinct.
A footballer doesn't have to be smart to be a smart footballer.

Without being privy to the inner core, at a guess I believe whilst Wallace has been flat out trying to instigate some of his intrinsic mechanisms into the group, he has possibly let other more basic aspects of his coaching suffer. Such as passion, pride in the jumper, accountability, playing for your team mates etc. These are equally as important to instill into a young and impressionable group as highly detailed tactics are.

K.I.S.S.
Not to the point of Frawley but bare in mind that many of these young guys might not be ready for their honors degrees just yet or ever.
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And again.
 
gustiger12 said:
You mean like introducing Circle work.... ;D

Funny didn't Richo say similar things a few weeks ago.
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Gus,

Richo did say this a couple of weeks ago though:

Let's talk about today's footy. How you go full time, the meetings?

I think the best way to sum it up is I'm probably happy it's the last years of my career. If I was starting now as an 18-year-old I don't know if I could last 15 years. It would drive me insane. There's probably too many meetings and I reckon we over-analyse footy now. I don't think it's as hard as we try to make out sometimes.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22106968%255E19771,00.html


To me, footy in general is being made far too complicated, for a sport that is to get the ball down tot he forward line as quick as possible so you give your big forwards a chance to take a mark, and to have a couple of crumbers ready to pounce in case the big forward doesn't mark it.

Surely it's no coincidence that teams with the 'big forward' who move the ball quickly, are the teams that seem to do well come finals time, NOT this "running model" that Wallace started with the Bulldogs and is implementing now at Richmond.
Look at the Bulldogs now, relying on Johnno to kick all their goals, and the Eagles gave them a lesson last week.

Surely it's also no coincidence that our best 2 seasons over the past 20+ seasons (1995 and 2001) were seasons where we kicked long to a contest (Northey having Richo, Gale, Edwards, Jurica...with a couple of crumbers in Daffy/Naish) and then with Frawley we had the 'twin towers' of Richo/Ottens and Gale dropping down there as well.

Then you look at the teams that have won flags over the last 10 years...Brisbane with Lynch/J.Brown/Bradshaw.....Port with Tredrea....Swans with Hall...Eagles with Q.Lynch.

I think we are not only overcomplicating the game, but we could also be going down a gangerous path regarding futre success if we do NOT get a power forward.
 
I was with you Liv until you used Jurica to support your argument

talk like that means NO SOUP FOR YOU! :police:
 
how would any of us know what goes on in the inner sanctum,and whether he`s to complicated.

and i can`t see anything to complicated with the nab 15 challenge.
the best 15 in pre season play the first nab cup game,big deal.
it`s just a way to get the players to perform better in pre season.
i can`t see anything wrong with that.
 
Tiger74 said:
I was with you Liv until you used Jurica to support your argument
talk like that means NO SOUP FOR YOU! :police:
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I only used Jurica, because he DID play for us only due to the injuries to Richo and Edwards that season.
Northey used him to keep that long kicking structure and gameplan in use.
So Jurica does support my argument, that footy today is overcomplicated.
:)
 
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