Two key issues as far as I'm concerned

[tigersnake]

Obviously we aren't showing as much as we'd all like as quick as we'd all like. Personally I put it down to 2 key factors:

1) The Nathan Brown trade. He is our big recuiting purchase of the last decade, and one of the biggest trades of the last decade. Good news is he is as good or better than the game-breaking star we forked out for, bad news is he snapped his leg effectively hasn't played for 2 years, and signs are far from good.

2) The Brad Ottens trade. Our other big play to break the old RFC cycle, the curcuit breaker as I called it at the time. Our recruiting has improved, but from a very low base and it still isn't up with the best for reasons already discussed. We really needed the return from the trade, realistically, to be one star and one good player (obviously you'd hope to jag two stars). Looks like we may have one good player.

Life, and footy is a game of millimeters. With a bit of luck and/or some more nouse, we could easily have Browny with 1 brownlow and favourite for another, Cameron Wood in yellow and black (and any other young gun picked after Meyer) as well as Patto. I should also emphasis that what TW has/ is undertaking is a ground-up, back to bare metal rebuild. For things to improve rel;atively quickly, the above 2 big moves had to go well, it's gunna take longer. As long as you'd expect such a rebuild to normally take.

I know its all far more complicated than this, but there it is in a nutshell.

 

[hopper]

Like your logic ts. We've been unlucky somewhat with both of those deals. But then again - you make your own luck. We can only hope we get Browny back soon and in full health and that Patto/Meyer turn out well. Then maybe both of those trades will look a little brighter.

 

[Hungry]

Yes, that is it in a nutshell tigersnake, well summarised.

I agree that few teams thrive when their key matchwinner is out (Brown). It's even harder when the key ballwinner is missing (Coughlan). When you are thin in quality experience like Richmond, it hurts all the more.

Good point on Patto/Wood. I still feel that Patto will be a good player for us, and can understand taking Meyer. But I always worry when Richmond drafts against convention, as we have done too many times in the past. Conventional wisdom before the draft put Wood over Pattison, so that worries me.

 

[an_oxford_man]

We got Patto and Polo for Otto didn't we?

 

[lisamaree]

We got Patto and Polo for Otto didn't we?

Nope, we got pick 12 & pick 16 from Geelong, i.e. Meyer & Patto

 

[an_oxford_man]

We got Patto and Polo for Otto didn't we?

Nope, we got pick 12 & pick 16 from Geelong, i.e. Meyer & Patto

Aware of the picks, not aware of the players. Thank you, it was that slow, skinny leper Danny Meyer.

 

[blx]

since were working on the premise that Meyer isnt going to make it, what then if he does?

 

[benny_furs]

We got Patto and Polo for Otto didn't we?

Nope, we got pick 12 & pick 16 from Geelong, i.e. Meyer & Patto

Aware of the picks, not aware of the players. Thank you, it was that slow, skinny leper Danny Meyer.

Um Meyer is a sprint champion. Not that slow.

He had a poor start atr Coburg because he was injured, nobody knew at the time and we all thought he was going backwards.

Now that we know he was playing with injections and missed the next week with the injury can't we stop writing him off?

 

[an_oxford_man]

We got Patto and Polo for Otto didn't we?

Nope, we got pick 12 & pick 16 from Geelong, i.e. Meyer & Patto

Aware of the picks, not aware of the players. Thank you, it was that slow, skinny leper Danny Meyer.

Um Meyer is a sprint champion. Not that slow.

He had a poor start atr Coburg because he was injured, nobody knew at the time and we all thought he was going backwards.

Now that we know he was playing with injections and missed the next week with the injury can't we stop writing him off?

Sorry, mate. I forgot that Danny Meyer has been dazzling us all with his ability to run and carry, and the ability to hunt down opposition runners with lightning bursts of acceleration. Thanks for the insight, brother.

 

[Disco08]

All he did was point out calling him slow was inaccurate, which it is. No need for the sarcasm, I'm pretty sure he, and the rest of us, know that Meyer has a lot of work to do.

 

[an_oxford_man]

All he did was point out calling him slow was inaccurate, which it is. No need for the sarcasm, I'm pretty sure he, and the rest of us, know that Meyer has a lot of work to do.

All I was doing, Disco, was pointing out that there is no game day evidence to support the theory that he is a "sprint champion"... quite the contrary... he is always 2nd to ball!!!!!!

 

[Disco08]

OK, fair enough Gypsy. When he's played for Richmond I haven't thought he looked slow at all. In fact I though his tackling (and ability to catch an opponent) was pretty good.

 

[an_oxford_man]

OK, fair enough Gypsy. When he's played for Richmond I haven't thought he looked slow at all. In fact I though his tackling (and ability to catch an opponent) was pretty good.

I found that the majority of tackles he laid where in traffic, not davey style run downs. Do we have a stat we can refer too?

 

[Disco08]

I'd say even Aaron Davey makes most of his tackles in traffic.

 

[hellenictiger]

Any team that is dependant on trades to grab they best players is obviously not doing enough at the grass roots level. When the Brown trade came in, we werent focused enough on making young draft picks into champions. Rather we where wanting the old faces to hold up and bring in older players. Frawley couldnt turn around and say we where going to re-build. He was holding onto 2001 for as long as he could.

We havent done much in the recruiting side of things in a long time, yet lately all the young players that are coming up look promising, more promising than the players that where coming up 5-6 years ago.

About, Patto, no offence, he does have a lot of pressure on him at the moment, but the quicker we get him into the reserves the better. He needs to develop there, week in week out in the seniors isnt for him at the minute.

 

[Herr_Tiger]

Any team that is dependant on trades to grab they best players is obviously not doing enough at the grass roots level. When the Brown trade came in, we werent focused enough on making young draft picks into champions. Rather we where wanting the old faces to hold up and bring in older players. Frawley couldnt turn around and say we where going to re-build. He was holding onto 2001 for as long as he could.

We havent done much in the recruiting side of things in a long time, yet lately all the young players that are coming up look promising, more promising than the players that where coming up 5-6 years ago.

About, Patto, no offence, he does have a lot of pressure on him at the moment, but the quicker we get him into the reserves the better. He needs to develop there, week in week out in the seniors isnt for him at the minute.

prob is, hellenic, we have drafted poorly in the big man department, whether it be KPP or Rucks .... we cannot afford to drop Patto whilst Simmo isnt match fit .... nor can we afford to drop him until we have an effective backup ruck strategy that doesnt involve Patto, such as roving to their rucks when Polak relieves Simmo

having said that, I nonetheless cant wait to see some of the speedster kids pull on the yellow and black jumper

 

[Ian4]

i think the biggest issue is that we are the richmond football club. we've been a bunch of losers for 25 years and can't stop the rot