U.S Presidential Election

[tigerdell]

Can I ask, is Fox news in America, and News Corp in Australia considered 'mainstream media'?

That was my point. Fox cable is mainstream throughout the USA.
New york post is the most widely read daily in New york city.
The syndicated radio shock jocks have millions of listeners throughout that country.
To state that its not mainstream is wrong.
It would be like saying Alan Jones is not on mainstream radio.

The fact is that Trump has/had the strong support of a major section of mainstream media.
Not surprising as 70+ million voted for him.

Let,s not characterize it as Trump doing it against the media. He had media support

 

[Baloo]

If the MAGA movement were Muslim, the press would be talking about the radicalisation of terrorists.

 

[tigerdell]

Tough question. I don’t think anyone would have been harmed. Shouting slogans is one thing but murdering people is entirely another. Still there were some hard-heads in that crowd, people were scared. I think given what Trump said about Pence I would hold him responsible. Pence has every right to be absolutely livid with Trump.

Murdering people is another thing, totally agree. Unfortunately it happened with the brutal beating of a policeman.
And the significant number of people in helmets, body armour, carrying weapons and tools to take hostages is a big indicator that murder was on the agenda.
Maybe many of the protestors were peaceful but there was also an awful lot prepared for violence.
You might think nothing would have happened, but the evidence points the other way.

Its not a comparison with other events. The protest stands on its own. As a violent attack on the day a new president was confirmed. Terrorism.
And as for most terrorism perpetrated in the US, it was mostly white folk against other Americans.

ps Djevv not picking a fight with you mate!

 

[tigersnake]

Yes BLM had a nice progressive aim that the mainstream media lapped up. So they excused the violence. What they didn’t tell you was BLM was a Marxist organisation. Some of those in the crowd actually believed in Marxism and looked to forment revolution (like in the communist manifesto) through violence. Insurrection by another name.

And that is a bad thing? I won't bother going into the complex history of Marxism, including evil dictators that got into power under the banner, but Marxist philosophy and Socialism is a good thing. At the very least, even if you are anything but far right, it has good elements. Equality, lack of exploitation, what's not to like?

Also your argument implies that only marxist leaders can be murderous, manipluative megalomaniacs. Naive and ideological in the extreme. I could say exectly the same about the nutcase right moosehorn brigade, did you know Djevv, I have heard that some of those in the crowd actually beleived in facism, nationalism and white supremacy and looked to forment revolution?

Amazing I know. Even taking your argument at face value, the BLM are fighting for equality, and end to racist law enforcement. What are the rednecks fighting for? Their right to be dumb and racist, carry guns, and not have access to decent wages, healthcare and education? Marx sure got one thing right, (he got most things right AFAIC in terms of his analysis, even if his prescriptions need work): false consciousness.

 

[mrposhman]

Yes BLM had a nice progressive aim that the mainstream media lapped up. So they excused the violence. What they didn’t tell you was BLM was a Marxist organisation. Some of those in the crowd actually believed in Marxism and looked to forment revolution (like in the communist manifesto) through violence. Insurrection by another name.

You cannot seriously be comparing the aims with regards to insurrection as the same as BLM where the damage was mainly to shops etc (not condoning this) and the violent attack and occupation of a federal building with the senate present??

 

[mrposhman]

Murdering people is another thing, totally agree. Unfortunately it happened with the brutal beating of a policeman.
And the significant number of people in helmets, body armour, carrying weapons and tools to take hostages is a big indicator that murder was on the agenda.
Maybe many of the protestors were peaceful but there was also an awful lot prepared for violence.
You might think nothing would have happened, but the evidence points the other way.

Its not a comparison with other events. The protest stands on its own. As a violent attack on the day a new president was confirmed. Terrorism.
And as for most terrorism perpetrated in the US, it was mostly white folk against other Americans.

ps Djevv not picking a fight with you mate!

Agree tigerdell.

I believe the undercurrent of the wording (from what I've heard) on parler was of the same. They wanted someone to be punished.

The hardest element of Trumps supporters actually believe (because of what he has told them) that the election was unlawful and they regarded the act last week as no different to those that are now well regarded as patriots. They believed that their government was illegitimate and were prepared to take it back with force. To think that this wouldn't have resulted in loss of life is ignorant at best.

 

[Baloo]

The hardest element of Trumps supporters actually believe (because of what he has told them) that the election was unlawful and they regarded the act last week as no different to those that are now well regarded as patriots. They believed that their government was illegitimate and were prepared to take it back with force. To think that this wouldn't have resulted in loss of life is ignorant at best.

Radicalisation.

 

[willo]

You cannot seriously be comparing the aims with regards to insurrection as the same as BLM where the damage was mainly to shops etc (not condoning this) and the violent attack and occupation of a federal building with the senate present??

Interesting. Is it is because of the location and politicians were present?

Some assertions are that BLM protests resulted in between 19-26 deaths (Different sources) let alone alone the hundreds that suffered injuries.

With due respect Posh Its a bit of a play down just to say “Damage mainly to shops etc” which resulted in the hundreds of $millions of damages.
It was far far more than just that.

 

[spook]

Tough question. I don’t think anyone would have been harmed. Shouting slogans is one thing but murdering people is entirely another. Still there were some hard-heads in that crowd, people were scared. I think given what Trump said about Pence I would hold him responsible. Pence has every right to be absolutely livid with Trump.

They murdered a cop. What makes you think they wouldn't have murdered the people they were chanting about murdering?

 

[Brodders17]

Interesting. Is it is because of the location and politicians were present?

Some assertions are that BLM protests resulted in between 19-26 deaths (Different sources) let alone alone the hundreds that suffered injuries.

With due respect Posh Its a bit of a play down just to say “Damage mainly to shops etc” which resulted in the hundreds of $millions of damages.
It was far far more than just that.

some of those deaths and injuries were the result of violence from racist right wingers attacking protestors.

 

[Brodders17]

If the MAGA movement were Muslim, the press would be talking about the radicalisation of terrorists.

but they arent Muslim, and we all know the only bad terrorism is Islamic terrorism.

 

[mrposhman]

Interesting. Is it is because of the location and politicians were present?

Some assertions are that BLM protests resulted in between 19-26 deaths (Different sources) let alone alone the hundreds that suffered injuries.

With due respect Posh Its a bit of a play down just to say “Damage mainly to shops etc” which resulted in the hundreds of $millions of damages.
It was far far more than just that.

I get what you mean and I don't mean to denigrate the damage that was caused in those BLM protests. I was commenting on the insurrection comments around the BLM protests compared to the MAGA one last week. Big difference damaging shops etc (and I know there was a lot of damage) than taking over one of the most iconic federal buildings in the country with the aim (whether it was feasible or not) to undemocratically overturn an election result.

To compare the "insurrection" of one against the other is like comparing the last 4 years of the Tiges compared to the Crows.

 

[antman]

 

[tigerdell]

Better hair?

 

[Coburgtiger]

Yeah, exactly.

And they hate each other which is even stupider.

 

[Djevv]

And that is a bad thing? I won't bother going into the complex history of Marxism, including evil dictators that got into power under the banner, but Marxist philosophy and Socialism is a good thing. At the very least, even if you are anything but far right, it has good elements. Equality, lack of exploitation, what's not to like?

Also your argument implies that only marxist leaders can be murderous, manipluative megalomaniacs. Naive and ideological in the extreme. I could say exectly the same about the nutcase right moosehorn brigade, did you know Djevv, I have heard that some of those in the crowd actually beleived in facism, nationalism and white supremacy and looked to forment revolution?

Amazing I know. Even taking your argument at face value, the BLM are fighting for equality, and end to racist law enforcement. What are the rednecks fighting for? Their right to be dumb and racist, carry guns, and not have access to decent wages, healthcare and education? Marx sure got one thing right, (he got most things right AFAIC in terms of his analysis, even if his prescriptions need work): false consciousness.

Sure Marxism gets somethings right. Marxism at its core is about revolution. BLM (check it’s website) is Marxist and is therefore revolutionary. Hence the violence.

BLM were fighting against institutional racism based on the criminal actions of one cop. Trumps supporters are fighting for their constitutional freedoms as well. They were reminding congress 74M voted for him. Some went too far and will probably go to jail for it.

It’s interesting you accuse them all of being red-neck racists. The hubris of the left is astonishing really. And you wonder why society is so divided?

 

[antman]

And you still claim no one would have been harmed even though a policeman was beaten to death.

 

[antman]

Sure Marxism gets somethings right. Marxism at its core is about revolution. BLM (check it’s website) is Marxist and is therefore revolutionary. Hence the violence.

BLM were fighting against institutional racism based on the criminal actions of one cop. Trumps supporters are fighting for their constitutional freedoms as well. They were reminding congress 74M voted for him.

Explain which constitutional freedoms specifically they were fighting for.

 

[eZyT]

Yes BLM had a nice progressive aim that the mainstream media lapped up. So they excused the violence. What they didn’t tell you was BLM was a Marxist organisation. Some of those in the crowd actually believed in Marxism and looked to forment revolution (like in the communist manifesto) through violence. Insurrection by another name.

OMG!

did any have Malcom X tattoos?

I saw a photo of a MANGA DomTer with a T shirt that read 6MWE - which stands for 6 million wasn't enough.

what a guy.

it might have been a deep fake made by LATISHA pedophiles with fake Covid in tunnels using 5G though?

 

[Greenie]

Sure Marxism gets somethings right. Marxism at its core is about revolution. BLM (check it’s website) is Marxist and is therefore revolutionary. Hence the violence.

BLM were fighting against institutional racism based on the criminal actions of one cop. Trumps supporters are fighting for their constitutional freedoms as well. They were reminding congress 74M voted for him. Some went too far and will probably go to jail for it.

It’s interesting you accuse them all of being red-neck racists. The hubris of the left is astonishing really. And you wonder why society is so divided?

A few thoughts:

Equating Marxism to revolution is about equal to calling all Republican voters Rednecks. Since 1950 it's really become just a left wing philosopy.

Most people who voted for Trump are just standard conservative voters who couldn't stand the idea of voting Democrat. Some aren't.

BLM were fighting for the actions of many cops over many years well before 2020 as you know, discounting any discussion of slavery.

70 million odd voted for Hilary and the losing side in every election in history. None of them felt no need to visit Congress.

This is different.