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U.S Presidential Election

mrposhman

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Sure Marxism gets somethings right. Marxism at its core is about revolution. BLM (check it’s website) is Marxist and is therefore revolutionary. Hence the violence.

BLM were fighting against institutional racism based on the criminal actions of one cop. Trumps supporters are fighting for their constitutional freedoms as well. They were reminding congress 74M voted for him. Some went too far and will probably go to jail for it.

It’s interesting you accuse them all of being red-neck racists. The hubris of the left is astonishing really. And you wonder why society is so divided?

Before I make comment, can I just clarify that I haven't misunderstood something here.

1 - You think BLM's is only around because 1 death (George Floyds) proves that there is institutionalised racism in the US
2 - That you think that Trumps supporters are fighting for their freedoms because of 74m votes yet still lost as the other guy got 81.3m. What constitutional freedoms were they fighting for?
 
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AngryAnt

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Yeah Djevv ain't gonna respond to that, neither will he respond to the fact a policeman was murdered in an event where he "would be surprised if anyone would get hurt".

There was also the woman shot dead and the guy who tazered his own balls and died.
 

tigerdell

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Yeah Djevv ain't gonna respond to that, neither will he respond to the fact a policeman was murdered in an event where he "would be surprised if anyone would get hurt".

There was also the woman shot dead and the guy who tazered his own balls and died.
Ant maybe time to cool your jets mate.
Djevv has posted and responded to others, give him time to respond or ignore you!

PRE dont need another feud

This is said with all due respect to the Antworld of course!
 
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willo

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some of those deaths and injuries were the result of violence from racist right wingers attacking protestors.
I wasn’t laying the blame solely on BLM protesters Brodder.
Just the total of lives lost and the many hundreds of injured, including police, storekeepers, protesters, bystanders.etc
 

Djevv

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And you still claim no one would have been harmed even though a policeman was beaten to death.

I don’t know about whether I claimed anything. But in my opinion someone being killed in a violent riot is not a surprise. Whether they would have carried execution style murders of VIPs like Pelosi or Pence that’s another thing. I don’t know. Fortunately we didn’t get to find out.

I’m not trying to excuse the violence.

Furthermore I think there is no comeback for Trump in this. He bears enormous responsibility for what happened. I thought Liz Cheney’s reasoning was pretty sound here: ‘He summoned the crowd, he directed them to the Capitol building and he lit the touch paper’. I won’t be surprised if he actually gets impeached.
 
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tigersnake

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It’s interesting you accuse them all of being red-neck racists. The hubris of the left is astonishing really. And you wonder why society is so divided?

It was a generalisation, but if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck...

I don't wonder why society is so divided.
 

AngryAnt

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I don’t know about whether I claimed anything. But in my opinion someone being killed in a violent riot is not a surprise. Whether they would have carried execution style murders of VIPs like Pelosi or Pence that’s another thing. I don’t know. Fortunately we didn’t get to find out.

I’m not trying to excuse the violence.

Furthermore I think there is no comeback for Trump in this. He bears enormous responsibility for what happened. I thought Liz Cheney’s reasoning was pretty sound here: ‘He summoned the crowd, he directed them to the Capitol building and he lit the touch paper’. I won’t be surprised if he actually gets impeached.

Fair post djevv
 

Djevv

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Before I make comment, can I just clarify that I haven't misunderstood something here.

1 - You think BLM's is only around because 1 death (George Floyds) proves that there is institutionalised racism in the US
2 - That you think that Trumps supporters are fighting for their freedoms because of 74m votes yet still lost as the other guy got 81.3m. What constitutional freedoms were they fighting for?

1. That’s what triggered all the riots, although BLM have been around for a while. They see it as evidence of their beliefs being true.
2. Trump supporters are out supporting Trump. They perceive that a Democratic government will erode their freedoms. Right to bear arms, freedom of religion and freedom of speech are three that spring to mind. I expect they were there for all sorts of reasons. They have the right to hold a rally.
 
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mrposhman

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1. That’s what triggered all the riots, although BLM have been around for a while. They see it as evidence of their beliefs being true.
2. Trump supporters are out supporting Trump. They perceive that a Democratic government will erode their freedoms. Right to bear arms, freedom of religion and freedom of speech are three that spring to mind. I expect they were there for all sorts of reasons. They have the right to hold a rally.

1 - Yes it was a trigger for something much bigger. Their evidence is absolutely true, I'm not sure if you've been to the US before, but the divide between rich and poor (or more worrying), whites vs black is distinct and their society is triggered to hold the minority communities back. If you don't believe you only need to review things such as criminal penalties and school funding (where around 50% of the funding comes from local property taxes, clearly the richer the neighbourhood the more money that is generated and the better quality of system). If you don't believe there to be a divide in the US between whites and blacks then I can't help you.

2 - Thats a false narrative. Why was the rally called the "Save America" rally, and the underlying content was about a stolen election and that people need to fight for their freedom and what is right. Thats not support for Trump. Its is far more than that and you are really understating what the rally was about. This wasn't a yay Trump rally, this was re-iterating the rhetoric that the "evil side" was stealing their freedoms through false elections.
 
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sausage_meat69

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It's nuts. The right thinks if you want to provide a modicum of healthcare for all and a bit of schooling you're a socialist. Then the only way they can win is to suppress votes. Are they classist? You wouldn't think so looking at the guys rioting. Then again look at the tax reforms they pushed through. As for voter suppression, its unconscionable that a democracy can go to such lengths to silence the people that need the most help. I'm proud it was the black vote that won Biden the election. trump is a racist prick and can't be kicked enough while down.
 
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AngryAnt

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1. That’s what triggered all the riots, although BLM have been around for a while. They see it as evidence of their beliefs being true.
2. Trump supporters are out supporting Trump. They perceive that a Democratic government will erode their freedoms. Right to bear arms, freedom of religion and freedom of speech are three that spring to mind. I expect they were there for all sorts of reasons. They have the right to hold a rally.

They were there because Trump told them for two months that the election was stolen, and then encouraged them to march on Capitol Hill "and let's see what happens". "Stop the Steal" was the slogan that I recall.

"We the People must take to the US Capitol lawn and steps and tell Congress #DoNotCertify," StopTheSteal declared online.

"Congress cannot certify this fraudulent Electoral College," they said.


Sure, gun rights, antivax etc were there but the express purpose of the demo was to prevent Congress from certifying the votes.
 
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glantone

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Just wondering but how is the death of George Floyd racist? How do we know that?
 

tigerman

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Massive rise in national debt, and no, it was happening well before the Pandemic.

Trump is a snake oil salesman, all his followers believe his lies.

This is several months before Covid, so the comparison would be much worse for Trump now.

 
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glantone

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..... But it seems to be increasingly evident that social media in net terms is a negative force for the world, more than it is a positive - the negatives outweigh the positives....
Yeah, totally agree… and the genie is out of the bottle. Dystopia.
 

glantone

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1 - Yes it was a trigger for something much bigger. Their evidence is absolutely true, I'm not sure if you've been to the US before, but the divide between rich and poor (or more worrying), whites vs black is distinct and their society is triggered to hold the minority communities back. If you don't believe you only need to review things such as criminal penalties and school funding (where around 50% of the funding comes from local property taxes, clearly the richer the neighbourhood the more money that is generated and the better quality of system). If you don't believe there to be a divide in the US between whites and blacks then I can't help you.
Sounds like you’ve spent some time in the States. Lucky you! There’s clearly a quality of life divide between african americans and white americans but how much of this divide do you think is due to contemporary government policies say since the civil rights movement and how much do you think is due to the lingering after effects of slavery/Jim Crow? And how much is due to African american cultural ways if such a thing can be said to exist?

And if I can test your patience to the brink, (hahaha) exactly how are minorities held back there and is it fundamentally different from here in Oz where class is generally inherited anyway? For example the chinese here are a minority but they thrive and so will their future generations ... in the states I believe they also do really well. So well infact that racial quotas apparently discriminate against oriental asians when entering higher educational institutions - too many diligent and smart chinese or 'asian' students.
West Indians another minority in the states apparently do very well for themselves. Sorry to lay so much on you but we're just jaw boning anyway... so not serious.
 
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Djevv

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1 - Yes it was a trigger for something much bigger. Their evidence is absolutely true, I'm not sure if you've been to the US before, but the divide between rich and poor (or more worrying), whites vs black is distinct and their society is triggered to hold the minority communities back. If you don't believe you only need to review things such as criminal penalties and school funding (where around 50% of the funding comes from local property taxes, clearly the richer the neighbourhood the more money that is generated and the better quality of system). If you don't believe there to be a divide in the US between whites and blacks then I can't help you.

I spent time in the US as a child. I agree with everything you say above about the class divide. I saw it with my own eyes. But that doesn’t make the BLM manifesto correct and worthy of my support.