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U.S Presidential Election

glantone

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One minute you claim that the US is 1-2 elections away from an authoritarian US fascistic state and then are surprised at a claim that it is here now? I bet 12 months ago you would have thought it unlikely the state could lock you at home through threat of imprisonment (or if you resisted, death) for weeks-months on end?

Not surprised. Bemused at the cultish language. Often the final sentence of his points is a doozy. Seems unnecessary.
By the way, the author's claim ‘This nation, conceived in liberty, has been kidnapped by the fascist state’ might be contested by the native american population.

The US becoming a truly fascist state is possible. Democracies fall. It don’t think the US holds some mystical power that makes it immune to radical change and change for the worse. The police didn’t go out guns blazing at BLM protestors, the military didn’t take over the streets, the courts rejected Trumps efforts to over turn election results, and local election officials were able to push back Trumps request to ‘find votes’ but pretty serious cracks appeared and if Trump and his followers run a successful campaign of lies and deception over the next 8 years who knows how deranged his followers will become and where the disconnect from truth will lead. Maybe the police will go out guns blazing, maybe maybe bombs will go off etc etc

If presented with the pandemic scenario 12 months ago, 10 years ago, in 10 years I time I would completely support the state’s lockdown policy ...... unless I was a mortician perhaps. No overflowing morgues around here. All good.
 
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DavidSSS

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That’s interesting. Does that make China communist or fascist?

Good question. Definitely not communist, but then again The Soviet Union was hardly communist either. More like substituting private property for state property, little difference really. China is certainly authoritarian and the nationalism has been ramped up under Xi. I still wouldn't say fascist. Panthera Tigris' comment that it is state organised crony capitalism is not far off the mark. The CCP attempting to meld their party as the personification of their country is something fascists did.

Did he really write regulated health care is a kind of fascism? that's cray cray

EDIT, just read it - the author has redefined "fascism" to suit their own purposes.

Yep, just looking at the quote Glantone put up they are attempting to define any state system as fascist. Now, I object to hierarchical power structures like the state as much as the next anarchist, but to lump all states in one category and call them all fascist, well, it is just silly posturing. Sort of reminds me of Maoists I met years ago who would spout ideological purity to an absurd degree. You do have to distinguish, clearly a state with representative democracy, such as Australia, is better than an authoritarian state, say like Pinochet's Chile.

The US becoming a truly fascist state is possible. Democracies fall. It don’t think the US holds some mystical power that makes it immune to radical change and change for the worse. The police didn’t go out guns blazing at BLM protestors, the military didn’t take over the streets, the courts rejected Trumps efforts to over turn election results, and local election officials were able to push back Trumps request to ‘find votes’ but pretty serious cracks appeared and if Trump and his followers run a successful campaign of lies and deception over the next 8 years who knows how deranged his followers will become and where the disconnect from truth will lead. Maybe the police will go out guns blazing, maybe maybe bombs will go off etc etc

There are some bad signs: it is a very divided country, there is a very sizeable part of the population who are unwilling to accept election results unless they go their way (didn't see them challenge the House, Senate etc outcomes which were part of the same election, plus, the coverage of some Trumpsters calling for an end to vote counting at the same time as others claimed counting must go on was laughable), violent (and likely armed) actions against members of congress, associating their movement with a strong leader represented as an outsider. Quite a few parallels there. Add into this that in many parts of the USA the local law is elected (sheriff, district attorney etc) and there is more than enough evidence to worry.

However, the USA has a long established government system and I would think is a lot more resilient than Weimar Germany, inter-war Italy or the Spanish Republic. The stacking of the Supreme Court is a worry but I retain hope, and do expect, that the USA will weather this crisis. I don't think it will weather it unharmed, and it is a dominant power which has seen its position in the world diminished, but I can't currently see a regime change to fascism or even authoritarianism.

DS
 

eZyT

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Amanda Gorman gets the Norm Smith.

I thought it was hideously boring and banal

I dont think Ive never heard such a long poem that doesnt really say, or evoke, anything?

I understand you couldn't hire Ice Cube for a presidential inauguration though.

I also think America and the World desperately need, and will get, a boring presidency this time
 
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TrialByVideo

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I must say it was refreshing to see a grown man, sit at a desk, sign some paperwork, then not hold it up in the air like a 4 year old showing he can scribble big letters!
 
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Baloo

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Nov 8, 2005
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Anyone else feel a massive sense of relief?
A tinge of sadness really. The daily Trump show has com to an end. It was entertaining & funny, though it was becoming very predictable.

I feel most sorry for US Late Night show hosts and comedians. The last four years was to them what Y2K was for IT Consultants.
 
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Harry

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Anyone else feel a massive sense of relief?
Nah - never thought he was the bogeyman the media portrayed him to be.

If anything I can see things flaring up in the middle east now with the US to begin meddling again.
 
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spook

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I thought it was hideously boring and banal

I dont think Ive never heard such a long poem that doesnt really say, or evoke, anything?

I understand you couldn't hire Ice Cube for a presidential inauguration though.

I also think America and the World desperately need, and will get, a boring presidency this time
Most poetry, especially modern poetry, is garbage. Amanda took me back to open mic nights in Brunswick in the early oughts, when earnestness and cadence substituted for originality and descriptiveness, and everyone patted each other on the back and sucked Marlborough Reds while drinking mulled wine, and talking about what a *smile* John Howard was.

Her conclusion(? - I didn't make it through to the end) that everything was once again right with the world and America was free from the "belly of the beast" (hand in your poetry badge for using that god-awful, trite, cliché) was flowery, typically Americanly self-aggrandising, and hopelessly naïve.

B-minus, if she were a Year 12 student.
 
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Legends of 2017

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Mar 24, 2005
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A tinge of sadness really. The daily Trump show has com to an end. It was entertaining & funny, though it was becoming very predictable.

I feel most sorry for US Late Night show hosts and comedians. The last four years was to them what Y2K was for IT Consultants.
I miss him already



:rotfl2 :rotfl2 :rotfl2 :rotfl2 :rotfl2

I guess we will have to wait for series 2, The Trials :)
 

Brodders17

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Nah - never thought he was the bogeyman the media portrayed him to be.

If anything I can see things flaring up in the middle east now with the US to begin meddling again.
Pretty sure Trump counted a couple of middle east assinations as achievements of his presidency so i dont think you can say the US hasnt been "meddling"
 

AngryAnt

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Nov 25, 2004
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The Bernie lookin chilled at the Inauguration memes have started


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