U.S Presidential Election

[AngryAnt]

If he is indeed under audit, then of course I do.

http://lawnewz.com/politics/legal-experts-side-with-trump-it-would-be-totally-stupid-to-release-his-taxes-during-audit/

If he is indeed under audit. All the evidence suggests he is not - including his own lawyers' statement.

But yeah - his refusal to release - the first serious candidate since Nixon not to do so - and his obfuscation around the issue, clearly tells us everything we need to know about his business practices, his tax avoidance (we know you think this is a good thing G but most of us don't) and his ethics. All deplorable to use a recent phrase.

It's just one symptom of the walking pathology that is Trump. Plenty of other symptoms tell us much the same things about him.

 

[tigertim]

I just wonder how long it takes to do an audit.......

 

[AngryAnt]

Early signs not good for the Donald...

NOVEMBER 8 2016 - 7:08AM

In a blow for Donald Trump, Latinos voting early in Florida and Nevada surge

Nick O'Malley

Pennsylvania: It used to be a truism of American politics that Hispanic voters, though growing in number, did not turn out to vote. The hard right former Arizona governor Jan Brewer boasted exactly that last month in the face of suggestions that Donald Trump's promise of mass deportations might cost Republicans the election.

"They don't get out and vote. They don't vote," Brewer, a staunch supporter of race-based police round-ups told The Boston Globe.

But early voting data suggests that Donald Trump, who launched his campaign calling Mexicans rapists, has awoken a sleeping electoral giant, one that might already have cost him the election.

By some estimates more Hispanics had voted in Florida by the weekend than voted in the entire 2012 election. Without the state of Florida, where an aggregate of polls find the two candidates in a statistical tie, few analysts can see how Trump can win at all.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/us-election/in-a-blow-for-donald-trump-latinos-voting-early-in-florida-and-nevada-surge-20161107-gsk4xl.html

If he can't win Florida, he's screwed. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy either.

 

[Giardiasis]

If he is indeed under audit. All the evidence suggests he is not - including his own lawyers' statement.

We'll wait and see if he has lied, at least with Hillary we have bulletproof evidence for her numerous lies.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Interesting results at this online poll

https://worldwide.vote/hillary-vs-trump/#/results/total

 

[IanG]

We'll wait and see if he has lied, at least with Hillary we have bulletproof evidence for her numerous lies.

Trump doesn't lie? Take a look at this:

https://storify.com/clair3/kurt-eichenwald-s-tweets-listing-his-findings-from

 

[AngryAnt]

We'll wait and see if he has lied, at least with Hillary we have bulletproof evidence for her numerous lies.

Which are? This is like Trump calling her "Crooked Hillary". Just call her names, some people will believe it with no supporting evidence whatsoever.

 

[Giardiasis]

Which are? This is like Trump calling her "Crooked Hillary". Just call her names, some people will believe it with no supporting evidence whatsoever.

Lies about emails: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-09/hillarys-seven-biggest-lies-refuted-fbi-and-smoking-gun

Lies about Bosnia: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/05/23/recalling-hillary-clintons-claim-of-landing-under-sniper-fire-in-bosnia/

Lies about Benghazi: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-09/hillary-faces-wrongful-death-and-defamation-charges-disctrict-columbia-court-parents

I guess lying goes hand in hand when holding a public position and a private position: http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/07/hillary-you-need-a-public-and-private-position-on-every-issue/

 

[AngryAnt]

Lies about emails: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-09/hillarys-seven-biggest-lies-refuted-fbi-and-smoking-gun

ZeroHedge? Article written by Tyler Durden? Really? This is the guy who reckons that this stuff would conclusively take her down. It didn't.

Lies about Bosnia: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/05/23/recalling-hillary-clintons-claim-of-landing-under-sniper-fire-in-bosnia/

This is probably the closest to being caught out in lie. When she landed in Bosnia in 1996 it was still tense and they had to wear bullet proof vests. She claimed they had to hurry to vehicles to avoid the possibility of being shot. But there was no actual sniper fire, true. So at the very least she exaggerated, at worst she lied. She did retract this statement later - I'm still waiting for Donald to retract anything he's ever said. Well, maybe the "locker room talk".

Lies about Benghazi: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-09/hillary-faces-wrongful-death-and-defamation-charges-disctrict-columbia-court-parents

Not actually about lies but about a wrongful death suit - lots of allegations in legal documents, nothing proven. The suit failed.

I guess lying goes hand in hand when holding a public position and a private position: http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/07/hillary-you-need-a-public-and-private-position-on-every-issue/

Don't know the veracity of the "Daily Caller" as a media outlet of repute, but I'd agree that politicians have public and private policy positions on many issues. Abraham Lincoln had a public position that blacks were not equal to whites, but still deserved not to be slaves. His private position is contested by the historians, but many believe he took that position to get the amendment through. Politics is the "art of the possible". Trump's the same, or would be if he actually had policy positions rather than just saying whatever springs to mind at the time.

Google "Donald Trump's lies" and you'll find he typically lies more times in one speech than the entire catalogue of Hillary's lies over her whole career.

 

[AngryAnt]

Here's some facts to conjure with G.

DONALD TRUMP’S WORST LIES, BY THE NUMBERS
When it comes to telling the truth, Trump may be the least honest politician alive.

Glenn Kessler is a journalism hazmat unit and, for much of the past year, his Washington Post “Fact Checker” column has been devoted honorably to the hyperbole, deflections, half-truths and outright lies of presidential candidates.

It's been a Bataan Death March of truth-seeking and prompts his pre-election wrap-up in advance of Tuesday's momentous day: “The Biggest Pinocchios of Election 2016.” All you need know is that the most egregious mistakes and lies earn four Pinocchios.

“Donald Trump has amassed such a collection of Four-Pinocchio ratings — 59 in all — that by himself he’s earned as many in this campaign as all other Republicans (or Democrats) combined in the past three years,” he writes. “His average Pinocchio rating was 3.4. (By contrast, the worst Pinocchio rating in 2012 was earned by Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota — an average of 3.08 Pinocchios).”

“Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, ended up with an average Pinocchio rating of 2.2. That put her in about the same range as President Obama and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney in 2012. (She had a total of seven Four-Pinocchio ratings.) If not for her statements about the email controversy, which earned her lots of Pinocchios, her average rating would have been much lower.”

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/donald-trumps-worst-lies-by-the-numbers

HRC isn't my favourite person in the world, nor is she as pure than the driven snow. But the alternative is a guy who lies or just plain gets it wrong, or just plain makes it up whenever he opens his mouth.

 

[Willo]

I hope it's a draw and they're both disqualified from going again. ;D

 

[Giardiasis]

ZeroHedge? Article written by Tyler Durden? Really? This is the guy who reckons that this stuff would conclusively take her down. It didn't.

Attacking the source is easier than accepting the truth I guess? Perhaps I should just say Vanity Fair is mainstream = in Hillary's pocket as an argument?

This is probably the closest to being caught out in lie. When she landed in Bosnia in 1996 it was still tense and they had to wear bullet proof vests. She claimed they had to hurry to vehicles to avoid the possibility of being shot. But there was no actual sniper fire, true. So at the very least she exaggerated, at worst she lied. She did retract this statement later - I'm still waiting for Donald to retract anything he's ever said. Well, maybe the "locker room talk".

Of course she retracted it, because she couldn't escape the lie.

Not actually about lies but about a wrongful death suit - lots of allegations in legal documents, nothing proven. The suit failed.

It clearly spells out her lies regarding the reasons behind the violence. Did you even read it?

 

[Giardiasis]

Here's some facts to conjure with G.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/donald-trumps-worst-lies-by-the-numbers

HRC isn't my favourite person in the world, nor is she as pure than the driven snow. But the alternative is a guy who lies or just plain gets it wrong, or just plain makes it up whenever he opens his mouth.

Any actual lies you can point to and evidence proving as such?

 

[Baloo]

The Yanks are getting what they deserve.

the only problem is they also have the largest cache of nuclear weapons in the world.

 

[tigersnake]

Any actual lies you can point to and evidence proving as such?

did you read IanG's link posted above? All laid out. but Whatevs.

The whole situation is terrible to watch. The system is broken due to the endless tightening of the screws by machine people (used to be machine men), where everyone is beholden to everyone else. Clinton is smack-bang in the middle of all this.

People are fed up with the machine, so Trump is campaigning on a platform of smashing that for the little (white) guy. But he's a spoilt-brat thin-skinned, ego-maniac clown with no credibility.

 

[AngryAnt]

Attacking the source is easier than accepting the truth I guess? Perhaps I should just say Vanity Fair is mainstream = in Hillary's pocket as an argument?
Of course she retracted it, because she couldn't escape the lie.
It clearly spells out her lies regarding the reasons behind the violence. Did you even read it?

So many lies, so little time. You and I can debate the minutae here - but why bother? Others have done it better elsewhere. Again it's clear that we've got Clinton's public record of thirty years vs every speech Donald makes. The Vanity Fair article does a good job - and it's actually reproduced from an acknowledged specialist in fact-checking who writes for the Washington Post.

Has she lied over her career? Unquestionably - she's a politician. Has she done so more than other prospective presidential candidates? Probably not, given we've had 20 years of aggressive republican attempts to take her down.

The Donald lies every time he opens his mouth - whether deliberately, or through ignorance, or poor planning, or whatever - it doesn't really matter.

 

[Legends of 2017]

Q. How can you tell when Clinton or Trump lie?
A. Their lips move *


* Can be used for all politicians and political aspirants

 

[Sintiger]

Actually ST in reality you are speculating like Antman. It's curious for you to use the word "deplorables" given how anti-labels you've been in the past. I thought you were above ad hominem? Tisk tisk.

I was just quoting Hillary but maybe you missed that

Don't think for a minute I am a Hillary Clinton fan though

 

[Giardiasis]

I was just quoting Hillary but maybe you missed that

Don't think for a minute I am a Hillary Clinton fan though

I see. Quotation marks would have made it a bit clearer.

 

[Giardiasis]

So many lies, so little time. You and I can debate the minutae here - but why bother? Others have done it better elsewhere. Again it's clear that we've got Clinton's public record of thirty years vs every speech Donald makes. The Vanity Fair article does a good job - and it's actually reproduced from an acknowledged specialist in who writes for the Washington Post.

Has she lied over her career? Unquestionably - she's a politician. Has she done so more than other prospective presidential candidates? Probably not, given we've had 20 years of aggressive republican attempts to take her down.

The Donald lies every time he opens his mouth - whether deliberately, or through ignorance, or poor planning, or whatever - it doesn't really matter.

Well sheeit, good point, there is no point. I'm just going to take a positive out of both outcomes tomorrow. Trump wins, then you beauty, a sociopath is denied office (and hopefully a proper investigation into her corruption is undertaken), and all her paid up benefactors lose a big chunk of their political influence in Washington (you know, like the people that fund ISIS and the people that were responsible for 9/11). If Hillary wins, then you beauty, when everything turns to sh!t then the blame will be pointed exactly where it belongs (i.e. the status quo).

Just in case it's not clear, if I was American I wouldn't bother turning up to the voting booth.