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Umpire farce - Getting worse by the minute!

Brodders17

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and funnily enough, whilst we got battered at clearances, thats the game right there in the amount of kicks at goal we gave them due to the 50;s.

From memory at ;east 3 directly, Hewitt (the only 50 I thought was unlucky), Cerra (from the 100), Cripps kicked from a 50 (I think he was passed it but the 50 gave them, the opportunity - might have been from the Lynch 50 in the 2nd quarter) and there were a number of minor scores from the 50's too.

The thing that really hurts this, is we set up a defensive zone, but by giving away these 50's (and many were around the central area, so they almost always brought them inside 50) it enables Carlton an easy bypass of our zone, takes out entire gameplan out of it.
the 50s were all there, some were unlucky- Lynch, maybe Soldo (but the ump clearly said stay out) maybe Graham for his initial reaction to the free against, and some were stupid Graham's 2nd 50, Grimes not taking care to kick the ball back, Edwards bump off the ball while on the mark.
 
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wigglyworm

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Lets see what happens with Graham. Caddy was banished for a few weeks based on his ill discipline and multiple 50's.
 

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the 50s were all there, some were unlucky- Lynch, maybe Soldo (but the ump clearly said stay out) maybe Graham for his initial reaction to the free against, and some were stupid Graham's 2nd 50, Grimes not taking care to kick the ball back, Edwards bump off the ball while on the mark.

Agree (other than maybe the Graham one when he threw it to Edwards) but all the others were definitely there. Massive lack of discipline and misunderstanding of the rules.

I wasn't trying to highlight the umpires were poor on those decisions just that level of ill discipline hurt us badly with the way we structure at the back. We lost by 25 and probably gave them about that due to the 50's, had we not given them away, we may have been able to repel those attacking chains and not conceded.

Entirely self inflicted but its hugely frustrating, especially when it comes from your leaders, Grimes (that has to be about the worst kick I have ever seen from him), Lynch, Graham, Edwards etc
 
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the 50s were all there, some were unlucky- Lynch, maybe Soldo (but the ump clearly said stay out) maybe Graham for his initial reaction to the free against, and some were stupid Graham's 2nd 50, Grimes not taking care to kick the ball back, Edwards bump off the ball while on the mark.
Edwards threw the ball to someone on our team after a Carlton free kick too. So 2 against Edwards.
Its not HRS, Ross, Gibcus doing it. Its our senior players discipline cost a game of football.


oops apologies to Edwards it was Graham who gave away 3.
 
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Brodders17

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Agree (other than maybe the Graham one when he threw it to Edwards) but all the others were definitely there. Massive lack of discipline and misunderstanding of the rules.

I wasn't trying to highlight the umpires were poor on those decisions just that level of ill discipline hurt us badly with the way we structure at the back. We lost by 25 and probably gave them about that due to the 50's, had we not given them away, we may have been able to repel those attacking chains and not conceded.

Entirely self inflicted but its hugely frustrating, especially when it comes from your leaders, Grimes (that has to be about the worst kick I have ever seen from him), Lynch, Graham, Edwards etc
unfortunately for Graham if you throw the ball the wrong way it will generally be 50. you need to make sure who got the free.

i think Grimes was trying to run back quickly so just fluffed the kick, and the Carlton player obviously didnt try too hard to catch it. (nor should he).
 

Merveille

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Edwards threw the ball to someone on our team after a Carlton free kick too. So 2 against Edwards. Complete lack of awareness from a 300 game player. At least Grimes redeemed himself. He was the only one.
Its not HRS, Ross, Gibcus doing it. Its our senior players discipline cost a game of football.
Spewing. I was hoping 2021 was the aberration.

oops apologies to Edwards it was Graham who gave away 3.
The umpire signalled with hand out to the right suggesting it was our free kick. That 50 was a farce because of that umpire error. That is one signal the players look for in the heat. Maybe it didn’t show up on TV but that is what happened
 
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Merveille

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unfortunately for Graham if you throw the ball the wrong way it will generally be 50. you need to make sure who got the free.

i think Grimes was trying to run back quickly so just fluffed the kick, and the Carlton player obviously didnt try too hard to catch it. (nor should he).
The Umpire signalled the wrong way for the Graham one. Do not expect this to be highlighted by afl media
 
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Brodders17

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The Umpire signalled the wrong way for the Graham one. Do not expect this to be highlighted by afl media
You cant see the ump on TV, but every player, from both teams, started running towards Carltons forward line so they knew who the free was too.
 
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If we saw Bevo burst out for a journo, let's hope we see another coach (probably Dimma) burst out for this rubbish rule and interpretation.
 
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The umpire signalled with hand out to the right suggesting it was our free kick. That 50 was a farce because of that umpire error. That is one signal the players look for in the heat. Maybe it didn’t show up on TV but that is what happened

In the replay the ump calls "Carlton." So the umps got one wrong. If the crowd is loud. Ump error then. Should have more leeway anyhow.
What did Graham learn? Gave away the 100 after that.
 

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The Umpire signalled the wrong way for the Graham one. Do not expect this to be highlighted by afl media


Yep I was at the ground and he made the signal for a Richmond free. Potentially he was pointing at who the ball should be returned to but he did it with an open faced palm IMO.

It’s just ludicrous this sort of stuff is 50 and confusing

They need to clarify the protocols and communicate it to fans and players.

Eg the player can ask who the free is to and if they don’t ask and then guess wrong and return it to the wrong player it is 50. If the player doesn’t hear the umpire or isn’t sure he may ask only one more time for clarity then it is deemed time wasting and will be 50. If a player who is on the team receiving the free kick makes no attempt to gather a slightly errant throw or return then This will not be deemed 50m.

I’d much rather this was all just 15m and paid for very minor stuff vs 50m and paid inconsistently.
 
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I saw a fair bit of tonight's game between those 2 teams who have won F All premierships since the end of the war. One of the things I noticed was umpires calling out something like 5 metres clear when no one was on the mark. I did not notice this on Wednesday night, and I was at the game on Thursday so you don't really get to hear it in the crowd.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Is it something new?

Would have helped a situation like the one Soldo was in. If they are going to have insane rules like the stand rule, actually telling players what the situation is at the time would be helpful because it is such a sh*tfull rule it can be bloody hard to work out.

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toothless

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Watched the entire Aints vs Colonwood game and found the umpiring/interpretation almost polar opposite to Wednesday night. It was actually a free flowing enjoyable game to watch, one the afl would be happy with...
 

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Whilst much of it was self inflicted because they are the rules I still believe that 50 metres are a massive penalty for what in the end are very minor indiscretions.
It is hard to kick goals in AFL and so it should be but that level of penalty for minor stuff is just a blight on the game imo.
I’m not saying that to give us a free pass for our own lack of discipline I just hate 50s being given for so little, I just reckon the rules around them are wrong.
 
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T-Shirt Tommy

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I have a feeling what happened last night was the broadcasters increased the volume of the umpire mics on the broadcast because a certain umpire was officiating.

And that certain umpire loves the limelight.

Hate him since he basically stopped a game at a ball up to lecture Grigg about some rule. Made it all about him. Don't make the game about you and just shut the *smile* up.
 
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Mycotchinrules

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Will any other team get close to 10 X 50m penalties this round? This year?

Umpires boss: Ok, lads and Eleni, I want you all to really concentrate on the abuse rule this week - but don't forget about the 7 other rules we changed this season, and do your best to read the players minds on their intent to keep the ball in, while simultaneously gauging how far they have run and how far they have kicked it. But try and keep a feel for the game, but put the whistle away if it gets closer at the end. And remember the golden Gil rule... If a Richmond player even has a calf spasm when manning the mark then that's movement, instant 50m.

Who'd be an AFL umpire?
 

mrposhman

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Genuine question, did we actually have a 50 for moving on the mark? It's been established the Soldo and one we thought was Edwards weren't for that, then there was three stupid ones by Grimes and Graham.

I can't quite remember the others, maybe one from Lynch was?

Lynch ran through the protected area for one. Balta placed the ball on the ground instead of giving to the Carlton player (might have been Saad) after yet another Aarts HTB.
 
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mjb

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Does anyone genuinely feel that the game (in general) would be worse if they got rid of the “contact below the knees” rule? I don’t remember the last time I saw anybody slide in in the manner that the rule was brought in for.
 
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