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Umpire farce - Getting worse by the minute!

Letsroar

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What is the likelihood that the Selwood rule is that the new interpretation does not apply to Selwood
 
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tigermouseau

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And the first game of the weekend will cop the overumpiring of the Selwood rule. I wonder which team that will be.
 
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RoarEmotion

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What will be interesting (sort of morbid) to observe will be if this rule change leads to more head high contact.

I.e. players don’t duck or look to defend / ward off an incoming coat hanger because they feel they will get holding the ball against them - and then cop it in the head.

With that said I think the change is a good one - if not 300 games too late - if you want to protect the head then you can’t reward players with the ball who instigate head high contact and need to penalise them so they don’t do it.

And it shouldn’t be too hard to adjudicate. If a tackle starts
- high - always too high if there is high contact
- below the shoulders then ends up above
- because of a shrug or a duck then htb
- because tackle slips high then too high (this will be the hard one)
 
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123cups

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I feel like the entire footy world is gaslighting us... we have had the Selwood rule introduced before, haven't we?

Or do I have false memories of the Selwood rule being brought in about 5-6 years ago only to be unofficially shelved under Geelong's iron grip over the umpiring department?

And finally - finally - after complaining about the non-implementation of this rule for several years, the AFL has announced that they will suddenly implement this pre-existing rule correctly.

Finally!

This rule has been ignored for years. Dan Richardson's response on this was about as perfect as it could be for an AFL employee.

For once, a decision has been made in accordance with the spirit of the game.
 
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DavidSSS

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Geez, the AFL adjudicating according to the rules of the game which they control . . . I'd like to see that.

We will see what happens with this. I certainly can't see Selwood getting pinged for shrugging the shoulders. I expect to see gross inconsistency which is just normal so no surprises I suppose.

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tommystigers

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It will be a disaster. The dills in charge of this will turn it into a glass bottomed boat tour on the Yarra.
 
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tigersnake

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Kind of funny that we were first cab off the rank in the Selwood/ Ginnivan correction round. There were a couple that were high, but we didn't get them because it could have been argued they were Selwood-ish, they looked it, but they actually weren't. I wasn't pissed off really, but I thought that was ironic.
 

mrposhman

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I still have no idea how a player can be tackled, spun between 180 and 360, taken to ground and is still allowed to dispose of the ball on the ground. If you have prior, are spun that far AND taken to ground it simply has to be HTB. Nothing else. We had at least 3 of those tonight unrewarded. Irony was, that just after we go into win the ball off the ground, tackled, they hold the ball in and its paid HTB for diving on it. I can take those, but not when you aren't paying the far more blatant ones.
 
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WildStyle

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Do umpires know that to change direction you have to get a bit lower? It's just physics. Difference between that and deliberately ducking your head. Anyway, these in season rule changes are so amateur.
 
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shad

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Kind of funny that we were first cab off the rank in the Selwood/ Ginnivan correction round. There were a couple that were high, but we didn't get them because it could have been argued they were Selwood-ish, they looked it, but they actually weren't. I wasn't pissed off really, but I thought that was ironic.
I would rather they erred on the side of not paying them-so I thought that tonights effort was pretty good. One bad one to Grimes and one bad one to them late were the only two they missed.
 

Ridley

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Umpires were fine tonight. Probably the best I've seen them all year. Certainly can't blame them for our stupidity and ineptitude.
 
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tigersnake

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A few people have commented on the game day thread that Cumberland should have got a 50 for the player being in the exclusion zone. They definitely have a point. They were never going to pay it last night, might have paid it 2 or 3 weeks ago, but its us so probably not.

It does highlight, again, broader AFL incompetence though. The exclusion zone rule, in principle, is a good rule, a no brainer. The player taking the kick should have some room to move.

a) the problem wasn't with the rule, it was with how it was adjudicated. Umps don't seem to able to guauge measurement, see 'not 15' rule, and apply common sense consistently, ie if a player accidently put a toenail possibly into the area then vacates, no impact at all on the player taking the kick. They'd just pluck one out seemingly randomly, often at a critical time. People got angry, understandably, about a sound rule because of poor adjudication.

b) so in true AFL reactive style, they allegedly 'tweaked' it mid season. In theory maybe the tweak was OK? But in practise the rule has been just turfed out. It was dumb to change it mid season, and its unreasonable to expect umpires to effectively adjudicate any change, its not an easy rule to ump, players running everywhere, ump has to watch the mark and the statue on the mark or the outside 5 all simultaneously, and they aren't crash hot at the best of times.

Its a farce.
 

MD Jazz

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Umpires were fine tonight. Probably the best I've seen them all year. Certainly can't blame them for our stupidity and ineptitude.
Same. Easily the best umpired game I’ve seen. And there were a lot of tackles and pressure etc . Can’t remember a really bad decision. It’s not that hard.
 
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Brodders17

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Same. Easily the best umpired game I’ve seen. And there were a lot of tackles and pressure etc . Can’t remember a really bad decision. It’s not that hard.
yep, generally ok. except they refused to pay holding the man when we were trying to get the ball. There were numerous instances where we were grabbed before getting the ball- there was one where Prestia ended up kicking off the ground, or knocking it on, because he was being held onto.

On Cumberland, I dont think there can be an "exclusion zone" of the player plays on straight away.
 
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