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Umpire farce - Getting worse by the minute!

CarnTheTiges

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What is wrong with the AFL? Another umpire???

Let's not look at the rules, let's add another inconsistency into the mix. Is this what they have determined from feedback by the fans in the AFL survey?

Will probably be the field divided into quarters with each umpire responsible for their area. One of the quarters will be adjudicated reasonably, one by someone with a Neds account and a multi on frees for and against, another by someone with a grudge and a whistle glued to their lips, and the last by Plukka spinning a chooklotto wheel. And the four of them will work as cohesively as Trump's White House.
Won’t be happy until every player on the field has their own personal umpire.
 
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TigerMasochist

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Just adding another level of incompetence and inconsistency to the umpiring. Way to difficult to actually clean up and clarify the rules and then simply adjudicate to the rules.
AFL methodology simply add more layers to the beige miasma of *smile* until no-one notices the stench.
 
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AngryAnt

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Won’t be happy until every player on the field has their own personal umpire.

Fans - "Decisions are inconsistent and sometimes umpires very far away from the ball bizarrely overrule the closer umpires"
AFL - "Got it. Add more umpires."
 
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123cups

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More umpires? Uh-oh...

If they did pay everything consistently, there'd be 100+ free kicks per game.

Umpires already selectively don't pay most free kicks, whether it's conscious or subconscious, so more umpires will only increase the probability of someone pulling the trigger on these otherwise non-paid frees.

As a result of black and white interpretations, the threshold to pay free kicks is like a digital on/off switch, when it used to be more like an analogue pedal. The rules used to allow umpires to capture the feel and spirit of the game.

It's the difference between playing a piano note with varying intensities vs it not firing at all until you reach a certain threshold and then it's "on", and that's it, then it's the one volume.

You simply can't ever adjudicate the game with a digital threshold because there's far too much nuance and complexity in every situation to make everything consistent with 1-2 simple cues designed with the intention to create consistency. At best, they'll create an illusion of consistency for some.

Can black and white digital triggers work in the AFL? Is it possible for players to sufficiently adapt if umpires really were willing to pay 100+ free kicks in a game? What would the game look like?
 
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DavidSSS

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If the free kick is there it should be paid, I don't get how this is controversial.

If the free shouldn't be there, change the rules.

Otherwise you are baking in guaranteed inconsistency.

Selectively not paying most free kicks encourages players to break the rules, it also tells us the rules are wrong or the interpretations the umpires are given are wrong. Also, which rules should be adjudicated less strictly, why? Should the rules be adjudicated in the context of the game, why?

Is it really too much to ask that the umpires adjudicate according to the rules as set out by the AFL?

DS
 
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WesternTiger

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Never seen a Richmond team get a run of frees like we did at the start of the third.

Lynch also got some he hadn’t got all year. Ch7 commentators questioned just about all of them…

And Darcy’s just a *smile*. Has to be the worst of a bad lot.
 
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Redford

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The 3rd quarter was bizarre. It was like someone had got in their ear at half time.

O’Gorman hates us with a passion.
 
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spook

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Still can't buy a HTB in our forward line. Last quarter, Durham receives a handball, turns, run two steps, gets MoJued. Stone cold.

Nup. Ball up.

Blatant. Disgraceful.
 
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Redford

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Still can't buy a HTB in our forward line. Last quarter, Durham receives a handball, turns, run two steps, gets MoJued. Stone cold.

Nup. Ball up.

Blatant. Disgraceful.
Lynch ended up with a few eventually (note we went to the AFL and complained about his treatment) but yeah, otherwise we simply can not get a HTB and over the years get reamed on our forward line in comparison with what other teams get.

And poor old Nank. He didn’t have a great night but geezuz… he is the most hated player in the AFL with the umpires by a mile. They look to pay a free against him with a game long intensity. Check this free against him on Perkins. He tackles Perkins over the ball but Rosebury calls holding the man. Cheating.

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spook

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Lynch ended up with a few eventually (note we went to the AFL and complained about his treatment) but yeah, otherwise we simply can not get a HTB and over the years get reamed on our forward line in comparison with what other teams get.

And poor old Nank. He didn’t have a great night but geezuz… he is the most hated player in the AFL with the umpires by a mile. They look to pay a free against him with a game long intensity. Check this free against him on Perkins. He tackles Perkins over the ball but Rosebury calls holding the man. Cheating.

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Especially considering the pre-emptive tackles Shai, Cotch and Dion got tonight, and every week.
 
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DavidSSS

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Lynch ended up with a few eventually (note we went to the AFL and complained about his treatment) but yeah, otherwise we simply can not get a HTB and over the years get reamed on our forward line in comparison with what other teams get.

And poor old Nank. He didn’t have a great night but geezuz… he is the most hated player in the AFL with the umpires by a mile. They look to pay a free against him with a game long intensity. Check this free against him on Perkins. He tackles Perkins over the ball but Rosebury calls holding the man. Cheating.

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Players get scragged, grabbed, arms held all the time as they are trying to gather the ball. The adjudication of holding the man is a complete farce. Either change the f*cking rule or pay all the holding the man infringements, and I do mean all, every single one of them.

DS
 
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spook

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Players get scragged, grabbed, arms held all the time as they are trying to gather the ball. The adjudication of holding the man is a complete farce. Either change the f*cking rule or pay all the holding the man infringements, and I do mean all, every single one of them.

DS
The dipshits at the AFL want more scoring so they bring in all this artificial garbage like stand and protected areas. Just clamp down on scragging and see how much more open and flowing the game is. But nup, that would be too simple and logical for these geniuses.
 
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DavidSSS

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The dipshits at the AFL want more scoring so they bring in all this artificial garbage like stand and protected areas. Just clamp down on scragging and see how much more open and flowing the game is. But nup, that would be too simple and logical for these geniuses.

This is so true, but, as you say, the AFL is full of dipshits.

Place needs a good clean out.

DS
 
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Little Ziggyadee

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It's not getting better it's getting worse.
I was listening to 3AW Geelong WC was on and Tony Shaw "Geez Tommy gets away with those pushes in the back"
Leonard 'what are you saying?"
Shaw 'He has been doing it forever but never seems to get penalised'
Shaw 'The kick barely went 6 meters, how is that paid mark? Hawkins is going to kick from the same spot his team mate kick it to him"
Some are really bad Williamson, Gianasis, OGorman.
 
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tigertim

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They were simply appalling. What’s with the waves of “favouritism” too? Frees were 11-6 at HT. Surely the umps didn’t see the stats and gave a few our way in the 3rd. Nah…..
 
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CarnTheTiges

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It's not getting better it's getting worse.
I was listening to 3AW Geelong WC was on and Tony Shaw "Geez Tommy gets away with those pushes in the back"
Leonard 'what are you saying?"
Shaw 'He has been doing it forever but never seems to get penalised'
Shaw 'The kick barely went 6 meters, how is that paid mark? Hawkins is going to kick from the same spot his team mate kick it to him"
Some are really bad Williamson, Gianasis, OGorman.
It is good that the media are finally starting to wake up to Geecheat and calling it out. The ABC do it, too. They shouldn’t, but the media do have a big effect on how the game is umpired.
 
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bigwow

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The 3rd quarter was bizarre. It was like someone had got in their ear at half time.

O’Gorman hates us with a passion.
Yep, he was shocking, appears to be a clear bias.

I thought Dore (#28) was pretty good, perhaps too fair, trying to even out the obvious cheating from O'Gorman.

I'd be happy with Dore in the finals.
 
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