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Umpire farce - must stop!

Mr Brightside

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No doubt it’s a tad unfair to compare, however listening to Leppitsch on Sen compared to the footy journos , shows exactly how poor they are
 
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The Big Richo

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The problem aarts has is although he almost gets tackled the moment he takes possession he makes dumb (rule wise) decisions and tries to fend off and escape losing his prior. If he just accepts the tackle or tries to free his arms and release someone else it will be a ball up.

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I've been saying this for a while as well. We give away a lot of free kicks due to taking on the tackler. The McIntosh one is a good example, if he tries to fend it's holding the ball, if he takes the tackle we get a ball-up.

I know it goes with our style of trying to get the ball in forward motion at all costs but it does cost us a lot of free kicks that other sides don't concede. A factor in the free kick differential for sure.

TBR when was "genuine attempt" added to the umpires rules for HTB? When "dropping the ball" morphed into "incorrect disposal" I don't remember there being a loophole allowing for genuine attempt. If you fail to dispose of it legally it is HTB, no grey area, much easier to adjudicate.

No idea but to my knowledge 'dropping the ball' has never been a free kick. You've always been allowed to try and dispose of it when tackled and it's only a free if you hold it too long.

I remember many, many years ago as a kid and then into senior footy, the umpire used to yell 'play on, he tried' if you were tackled quickly and went to kick and missed the ball. They would yell it a thousand times a game. Different language but the philosophy of prior opportunity was the same.
 
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leon

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The Mackintosh one was ridiculous. Who runs by for a handball way behind the man-on-the-mark (the idea is to collect it as you pass by), then runs directly, straight into him to be tackled to the ground?

KMac, that's who. :confused:

So lucky not to be penalised but cost us a forward entry. Just very odd at this level.
 

DavidSSS

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The KMac one was very odd, no idea why he wanted the ball given he was running straight towards a player about to tackle him. Prior opportunity? On balance I would say yes.

As for "dropping the ball", yeah, never been a rule, has always been shorthand for not disposing of the ball properly or whatever wording they used to use. Maybe I'll look it up, I'm pretty sure our ancient copy of Football the Australian Way has the rules circa 1971 printed in there.

DS
 

tommystigers

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*Updated* Umpire Watch 2021 - End the Free Kick Farce

Carlton 25 Richmond 15 Foot Fleer Mollison
Hawthorn 22 Richmond 25 Fisher Brown Gavine
Sydney 25 Richmond 15 Power Dalgleish Johanson
Port 22 Richmond 12 Rosebury Deboy Hosking
St Kilda 23 Richmond 13 Stevic Gavine Fleer
Melbourne 24 Richmond 17 Stephens Dalgleish Williamson
Bulldogs 17 Richmond 21 Fisher Fleer Glouftsis

Umpire Tallies
Dalgeish -17
Fleer -16
Foot -10
Mollison -10
Power -10
Johanson -10
Rosebury -10
Deboy -10
Hosking -10
Stevic -10
Gavine -7
Stephens -7
Williamson -7
Brown +3
Glouftsis +4
Fisher +7

Fisher Brown Glouftsis
v
Dalgleish Fleer and The Rest

Enter Ray Chamberlain
 
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tigerman

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AFL umpires coach Hayden Kennedy has quit, most probably had a gutful of SHockings continual rule changes.
 
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123cups

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Reckon he’s been sacked.

After a 30-year career, he’s quit mid-season amidst a pandemic without mention of a promotion only to say ‘I’d like to thank the AFL for the opportunity, aw gee I hope I had a positive impact’ with Hocking praising him excessively on the way out.
 

eZyT

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*Updated* Umpire Watch 2021 - End the Free Kick Farce

Carlton 25 Richmond 15 Foot Fleer Mollison
Hawthorn 22 Richmond 25 Fisher Brown Gavine
Sydney 25 Richmond 15 Power Dalgleish Johanson
Port 22 Richmond 12 Rosebury Deboy Hosking
St Kilda 23 Richmond 13 Stevic Gavine Fleer
Melbourne 24 Richmond 17 Stephens Dalgleish Williamson
Bulldogs 17 Richmond 21 Fisher Fleer Glouftsis

Umpire Tallies
Dalgeish -17
Fleer -16
Foot -10
Mollison -10
Power -10
Johanson -10
Rosebury -10
Deboy -10
Hosking -10
Stevic -10
Gavine -7
Stephens -7
Williamson -7
Brown +3
Glouftsis +4
Fisher +7

Fisher Brown Glouftsis
v
Dalgleish Fleer and The Rest

Enter Ray Chamberlain

I wonder if the home team in finals could pick the 3 umps would even out the disparities, or just mean bottom 8 sides get shafted?
 

RoarEmotion

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I wonder if the home team in finals could pick the 3 umps would even out the disparities, or just mean bottom 8 sides get shafted?
I don’t know where to start with this one ezy.

Can’t have clubs picking umpires.

really need umpiring to be completely independent of AFL and clubs, but with more transparency on review and transparent feedback mechanisms etc. they should have a stated goal to get the accuracy AND consistency of both decisions and NON decisions higher. (And report on this as an average and internally by umpire)

The fact it even appears that the AFL influences week to week umpiring focus is ridiculous. (And even worse if that is true)
 
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Number8

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In the aftermath of Friday night's game, I spent some time trawling this thread and the game day boards (Scraggers and Tigers) over at Big Footy, and our game day board here.

To say Eleni Glouftsis copped a caning for her efforts would be putting it politely.

I re-watched the third quarter last night and paid particular attention to the umpiring, and to Glouftsis, especially.

Watching the game live, I didn't much notice the umpires but based on what I subsequently read, I was expecting a shitshow of a performance, especially from Glouftsis.

First, a disclaimer. I've only watched one quarter on replay so far.

But ... I didn't identify a single error made by Glouftsis in that quarter. The closest I got was her free awarded to Edwards for holding against Macrae at a centre bounce, which was there but was soft. She also awarded a holding free against Riewoldt to Keath or Cordy that was at the softer end of the scale, but was also there.

The only really dud decision made in that quarter was by Fleer against West for high contact on Houli, which looked suspect at the time and didn't get better on the replay. The HTB that wasn't given against McIntosh when he ran into Wood on the mark was the correct call—clearly no prior. I think that was Fisher officiating.

I want to give Glouftsis some credit. Bad bouncing drives me nuts. Her bouncing is as good as any umpire going around. Her communication on the field is good. And I understand she had umpired a full game the night before. Is the angst really warranted?

I suspect she gets noticed more for the obvious fact she's a female. I'm less convinced about the qualities of Williamson and Deboy than I am her.

I'll re-watch the final quarter tonight and follow up this post if I have more to add.
 
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eZyT

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I don’t know where to start with this one ezy.

Can’t have clubs picking umpires.

really need umpiring to be completely independent of AFL and clubs, but with more transparency on review and transparent feedback mechanisms etc. they should have a stated goal to get the accuracy AND consistency of both decisions and NON decisions higher. (And report on this as an average and internally by umpire)

The fact it even appears that the AFL influences week to week umpiring focus is ridiculous. (And even worse if that is true)

the AFL are sending out a survey after you attend a game (I assume I ticked a box on Ticketek saying they can sell my data to anybody?)

they are clearly trying to find out how much they can gouge on the price of chips and whether they should hire the wiggles to play the breaks,

but there is room to add your thought.

I filled all the boxes with ' new rules crap and ever-changing leading to dreadful, inconsistent umpiring, detracting from the match day experience '

I suggest people do the same.

if enough people get on the movement, then the AFL will have an entire movement to ignore.

powerlessness to the people
 
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MD Jazz

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Just watched the Wood decision. Agree entirely with TBR, no free. He had no prior and tried to kick it. He didn't take too long to attempt the kick IMO. The commentators have no idea, I only heard it on the radio as coming to ground late and they were carrying on like it was an obvious free. It wasn't.

I'll watch the game again at some stage and note what I think were the wrong calls. From memory I thought it was a reasonably OK umpired game. The Bont flop just before half-time was the worst call I can remember.
 
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eZyT

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No idea but to my knowledge 'dropping the ball' has never been a free kick.

are you honestly suggesting that millions of us have been yelling the wrong thing, at the wrong time, at the footy for 150 years?

surely incorrect disposal = dropping the ball?

how many ways can you incorrectly dispose of it?

you could bounce it off your head, flick it with your tongue, twerk it with your buttocks, horsey root it?

and indeed, all these have occurred over the centuries,

but I think 980 of every thousand incorrect disposals, could reasonably be classified as having

dropped it, or thrown it.