Uncontracted players given permission to train at Tigerland . Thoughts ?

[jayfox]

I'd put him on the list on the strength of his name alone.

I'd been told that that was how you assessed our potential recruits every year, Heave-Ho. It's funny that it has still given you a better strike rate than the RFC recruiters....

 

[BrisTiger24]

If you can teach Cockshell how to kick then he could make it. Ultra athletic, quite quick, good contested mark, looks like an adonis....but his kicking is quite possibly the worst youll ever see. Flip a coin between it going through the big ones or out on the full. From any distance. Ive seen him almost kick out on the full from 15 out in front...but ive also seen him kick goals from 40 out on the boundary. Its just completely unreliable.

Sounds like Gourdis...should have kept him on the list instead.

 

[evo]

I'd been told that that was how you assessed our potential recruits every year, Heave-Ho. It's funny that it has still given you a better strike rate than the RFC recruiters....

So you would've seen *smile*-hell,FoxinSox.Whats he like?

 

[Willo]

So you would've seen *smile*-hell,FoxinSox.Whats he like?

Fairly tall, above average height. ;D

 

[Streak]

has a bit of Richo about him

That can't be a bad thing!

 

[benny_furs]

That can't be a bad thing!

It is when the "bit" of Richo that he has is the bad part of Richo.

I don't want key forwards who can't kick in the future, the way the game is played and the increasing speed means that everytime a forward misses a shot on goal it is just like a really bad turnover directly to the opposition.

 

[Streak]

It is when the "bit" of Richo that he has is the bad part of Richo.

I don't want key forwards who can't kick in the future, the way the game is played and the increasing speed means that everytime a forward misses a shot on goal it is just like a really bad turnover directly to the opposition.

Tongue in cheek comment BF. Agree, we don't need another key forward who can't kick. And Richo only covers this deficiency with a fantastic athletic ability and massive heart.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Tongue in cheek comment BF. Agree, we don't need another key forward who can't kick. And Richo only covers this deficiency with a fantastic athletic ability and massive heart.

Just by what has been said and Richmond preference for a certain type of ruck, at 198cm and athletic Cockshell has probably been recruited at a potential ruck and not a KPP

 

[Rod]

Just by what has been said and Richmond preference for a certain type of ruck, at 198cm and athletic Cockshell has probably been recruited at a potential ruck and not a KPP

I agree Colonel. I believe we're considering Cockshell as a potential ruck not as a full-time forward.
Wallace tends to steer away from beanpoles that whilst they might win the hit outs, are useless around the ground.
He prefers more mobile types that can break even/nullify the ruck contest and contribute around the ground.

With regards to Cockshell. forwards tend to be more mobile than rucks.
What is easier:
To teach a beanpole to take a grab up forward? or
To teach a mobile athletic forward to compete in the ruck?

FWIW I reckon we will look to draft a young ruck but we need a plan B in case we don't get our man.

I am dead against Deluca and up till now would have kept Cartledge as plan B/insurance.
Cockshell however offers a similar solution to Cartledge but being more athletic and with a background as a forward offers more upside.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

I agree Colonel. I believe we're considering Cockshell as a potential ruck not as a full-time forward.
Wallace tends to steer away from beanpoles that whilst they might win the hit outs, are useless around the ground.
He prefers more mobile types that can break even/nullify the ruck contest and contribute around the ground.

With regards to Cockshell. forwards tend to be more mobile than rucks.
What is easier:
To teach a beanpole to take a grab up forward? or
To teach a mobile athletic forward to compete in the ruck?

FWIW I reckon we will look to draft a young ruck but we need a plan B in case we don't get our man.

I am dead against Deluca and up till now would have kept Cartledge as plan B/insurance.
Cockshell however offers a similar solution to Cartledge but being more athletic and with a background as a forward offers more upside.

Yep, is seems club has a certain ‘type’ in mind when it recruits ruckman. Every ruck our list have round the grounds skills and above average athleticism of some kind. Cockshell seems a much better fit to that type than Cartilage and Deluca.

Btw my personal take was delisting Cartilage has the right choice because while he would give good service now his maximum potential is as a number three ruck. We need to be stockpiling a few guys now who have bigger upside potential to possibly become no.1 rucks.

 

[Redford]

Btw my personal take was delisting Cartilage has the right choice because while he would give good service now his maximum potential is as a number three ruck. We need to be stockpiling a few guys now who have bigger upside potential to possibly become no.1 rucks.

Are we stockpiling Graham to be a no.1 ruck ?

 

[Phar Ace]

Yep, is seems club has a certain ‘type’ in mind when it recruits ruckman. Every ruck our list have round the grounds skills and above average athleticism of some kind. Cockshell seems a much better fit to that type than Cartilage and Deluca.

The quicker boundry throw-ins will have had a small influence too. Will need guys capable of covering the dirt with the four boundry umps more likely to be on the spot now.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

At least he is not 196cm

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Are we stockpiling Graham to be a no.1 ruck ?

Ha, yes I knew when I wrote that someone would pick up on Gus. My take on why we kept Gus is because he is a good athlete and tough that his upside is still potentially better than Cartilage’s current level. Neither of them are AFL standard, however Gus may get there while the TC is better now but has no room for improvement.

My personal view is that Richmond’s long term replacement for Simmo isn’t on our list yet and Gus and Patto are in competition for the long term number 2 job.

 

[jayfox]

So you would've seen *smile*-hell,FoxinSox.Whats he like?

He would be a project Trevo Marmalade. He certainly has the physical attributes to play AFL. He is fairly big (196cm by his own admission) and well built with the type of frame that would bulk up more. He is probably too short to do anything but pinch-hit in the ruck, so he would need to prove himself as a key forward. I'm not sure that his skills are good enough to do that. He played well in some games of SANFL league footy but only really dominated 2 for the year, so inconsistency is a bit of a problem. Admittedly, he has only been playing AFL for a few years as he was a very good tennis player. He also loves to party and didn't take his opportunity at Port seriously enough. He got into trouble quite a few times for, let's just say not conducting himself as an AFL player should. He is a country boy at heart and sometimes those blokes don't adapt well to the rigours and discipline of AFL footy. So in summary -

Major pro's - Size and potential to improve coming from a limited AFL background

Major con's - skill level, attitude, lack of dominance at SANFL level.

His coach at Norwood is a friend of mine so if I see him prior to the draft I will get his feedback on him too.

At least he is not 196cm

 

[Tigers of Old]

Rumor on BF is that Deluca and Cartilage have been told their services are no longer required, Cockshell is still there though.

Some vaguely knowledge Port supporters said this about Cockshell


Cockshell is about 6'6 and is very well built, should have played infront of J Westhoff for most of this year, Is athletic and can do many special things in a game. But has a bit of Richo about him, Kicking can sometimes waiver and desision making sometimes suffers from the occasional fade, didnt make it at Port as his disipline issues at this stage in his career out weigh his football ability, however leaving friends and family in Adelaide may pull the young lad into line!

Some less than complimentary things said on BF along these lines.
However he might turn things around..

At least he is not 196cm

Well there is that. A bit more from Big Footy..

Adam Cockshell's 2008

Age: 22 years old, 198cm 96kg

Position: Foward/Ruck

Key info: Didn't start playing footy until he was 18

AFL Games: 0

SANFL Seniors Games: 21 for Norwood

Statistics
Kicks: 7 per game
Handballs: 3.3 per game
Marks: 4.4 per game
Hitouts 7.8 per game
Tackles 1.4 per game
Score: Kicked 14 goals and 14 behinds in 21 games

Standout games
- Round 10 Vs Eagles 15 kicks 9 mark 9 hanballs 1 13 hitouts 2 tackles
- Round 13 Vs West 10 kicks 7 marks 3 handballs 3 goals, 8 hitouts, 1 tackle
- Round 14 Vs 10kicks 9 marks 1 handball 4 goals 1 hitout


Didn't exactly dominate in either the ruck or up forward by the looks of it.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

He would be a project Trevo Marmalade. He certainly has the physical attributes to play AFL. He is fairly big (196cm by his own admission) and well built with the type of frame that would bulk up more. He is probably too short to do anything but pinch-hit in the ruck, so he would need to prove himself as a key forward. I'm not sure that his skills are good enough to do that. He played well in some games of SANFL league footy but only really dominated 2 for the year, so inconsistency is a bit of a problem. Admittedly, he has only been playing AFL for a few years as he was a very good tennis player. He also loves to party and didn't take his opportunity at Port seriously enough. He got into trouble quite a few times for, let's just say not conducting himself as an AFL player should. He is a country boy at heart and sometimes those blokes don't adapt well to the rigours and discipline of AFL footy. So in summary -

Major pro's - Size and potential to improve coming from a limited AFL background

Major con's - skill level, attitude, lack of dominance at SANFL level.

His coach at Norwood is a friend of mine so if I see him prior to the draft I will get his feedback on him too.

If this is true, I am well and truly turned off the theory some on here have of him being a ruckman. I am really sick of 196cm ruckmen. Pass.

If we think he could develop into a key forward fine.

Any chance he's grown since you heard/knew JF, considering his reported at 198cm?