Wallace and Miller to show their hand?

[Gazza68]

I reckon Greg Beck did a fantastic job last year with recruiting the likes of:

1. Brett Deledio
4. Richard Tambling
12. Danny Meyer
16. Adam Pattison
20. Dean Polo

:clap  :hihi  :rofl  ;D

I think these players were picked by TW & GM, they gave the draft numbers to Beck to read out, thank god he did'nt stuff that up as well.

 

[Bill James]

Draft the kids.

this has been done lots of times before and agree with most of what you say but our drafting has been pathetic right across the board  picks taken sinse 95 are-1995 35 b smith 46 b moore 59 e thompson 67 m raidis
1996 16 p steinfort 35 m chaffey 41 m manfield 55 s mckee 63 j baldwin 72 b frewen 79 d donati
1997 2 ottens 53 l proctor 69 p greenham 71 a kellaway
1998  40 j white55 m dragacevic 68 m greig  79 r hall
1999 3 a fiora 22 e poyas 39 s homewood 52 a mills 78 t zantuck.
2000  9 k pettifer 25 m coughlan 40 c hyde 41 a krakouer 55 c newman 57 s sziller.
2001 33 rodan 63 a houlihan 68 c hyde yes we have used 2 picks on this dud, 77 m mcgrath.
2002 12 j schulz 41 t fleming 47 b nicholls 62 d sipthorp
ive only gone up to 2002 because its to early to make judgements on players drafted after this point.
the above is a disgrace and our trading makes for worse reading. im surprised we havent won a half dozen spoons in this period.
theres hardly a decent player drafted with our early picks yet alone late picks. of the 38 picks used from 95 to 02 we have snared 1 outstanding player in 25 coghlan an honest player in 55 newman and 7 average at best players in79 hall 9 pettifer 35 chaffey 2 ottens 71 kellaway 33 rodan 40 68 hyde.if you include hyde we have 4 late picks who some might call okay players.

Of course its a disgrace but not because we draft poorly but because we limit ourselves to the back end of the draft. Of the picks you mention you will note that there is only one under 20. For a club that has finished in the bottom half for ten years why is this? Its because we give them away. The facts stand up for themselves, while we have got average players in the draft, thats what you expect when you start selecting in the third round.

 

[FightingFury]

Draft the kids.

this has been done lots of times before and agree with most of what you say but our drafting has been pathetic right across the board  picks taken sinse 95 are-1995 35 b smith 46 b moore 59 e thompson 67 m raidis
1996 16 p steinfort 35 m chaffey 41 m manfield 55 s mckee 63 j baldwin 72 b frewen 79 d donati
1997 2 ottens 53 l proctor 69 p greenham 71 a kellaway
1998  40 j white55 m dragacevic 68 m greig  79 r hall
1999 3 a fiora 22 e poyas 39 s homewood 52 a mills 78 t zantuck.
2000  9 k pettifer 25 m coughlan 40 c hyde 41 a krakouer 55 c newman 57 s sziller.
2001 33 rodan 63 a houlihan 68 c hyde yes we have used 2 picks on this dud, 77 m mcgrath.
2002 12 j schulz 41 t fleming 47 b nicholls 62 d sipthorp
ive only gone up to 2002 because its to early to make judgements on players drafted after this point.
the above is a disgrace and our trading makes for worse reading. im surprised we havent won a half dozen spoons in this period.
theres hardly a decent player drafted with our early picks yet alone late picks. of the 38 picks used from 95 to 02 we have snared 1 outstanding player in 25 coghlan an honest player in 55 newman and 7 average at best players in79 hall 9 pettifer 35 chaffey 2 ottens 71 kellaway 33 rodan 40 68 hyde.if you include hyde we have 4 late picks who some might call okay players.

Of course its a disgrace but not because we draft poorly but because we limit ourselves to the back end of the draft. Of the picks you mention you will note that there is only one under 20. For a club that has finished in the bottom half for ten years why is this? Its because we give them away. The facts stand up for themselves, while we have got average players in the draft, thats what you expect when  you start selecting in the third round.

One under 20 ?? One what under 20 ??
If your referring to picks then there's 5.
Steinford (16) Ottens (2) Fiora (3) Pettifer (9) Schulz (12)

Hardy stunning returns from such prized picks are they?

I agree we still have to maintain our high picks,but we need to bolster our recruitment dept to ensure we have given ourselves the best chance at selecting the best available talent by as thorough research as possible.
Im far happier Becks gone,but Miller cant do it all on his own,and Phantom and Redford have commented in the past that Richmonds recruitment teams are far less capable than most other AFL clubs at present.
We don't want to be mired by as poor recruiting as the past 20 years ever again.

 

[tigertough12]

I reckon Greg Beck did a fantastic job last year with recruiting the likes of:

1. Brett Deledio
4. Richard Tambling
12. Danny Meyer
16. Adam Pattison
20. Dean Polo

:clap  :hihi  :rofl  ;D

I think these players were picked by TW & GM, they gave the draft numbers to Beck to read out, thank god he did'nt stuff that up as well.

Well then I can say that SPUD traded away our first round picks and picked up DUDs with later picks and used Beck to read out the numbers??????

 

[CarnTheTiges]

One under 20 ?? One what under 20 ??
If your referring to picks then there's 5.
Steinford (16)  Ottens (2)  Fiora (3)  Pettifer (9)  Schulz (12)

Hardy stunning returns from such prized picks are they?

I agree we still have to maintain our high picks,but we need to bolster our recruitment dept to ensure we have given ourselves the best chance at selecting the best available talent by as thorough research as possible.
Im far happier Becks gone,but Miller cant do it all on his own,and Phantom and Redford have commented in the past that Richmonds recruitment teams are far less capable than most other AFL clubs at present.
We don't want to be mired by as poor recruiting as the past 20 years ever again.

Steinfort was definitely a disappointment. But Ottens turned into the draft pick that kept on giving. He wasn't as good as you would expect #2 to be, but he netted us #12 & #16 this year and both Meyer and Pattison look like having long and productive futures at Tigerland, especially Meyer. Kayne took a while to get going, but he has started to deliver this year and yes he has to go on with it, but if he adds a few goals to his tally for this year every year you'd have to be pretty pleased with him. It is still a tad too early to tell with Schulz whether he was deserving of the high pick or not.

 

[Bill James]

One under 20 ?? One what under 20 ??
If your referring to picks then there's 5.
Steinford (16)  Ottens (2)  Fiora (3)  Pettifer (9)  Schulz (12)

Hardy stunning returns from such prized picks are they?

I agree we still have to maintain our high picks,but we need to bolster our recruitment dept to ensure we have given ourselves the best chance at selecting the best available talent by as thorough research as possible.
Im far happier Becks gone,but Miller cant do it all on his own,and Phantom and Redford have commented in the past that Richmonds recruitment teams are far less capable than most other AFL clubs at present.
We don't want to be mired by as poor recruiting as the past 20 years ever again.

Sorry struggs. I was referring to Claws list of acceptable picks of which there was only one under 20.

But giventhat you raise it why the hell have there only been five given that we have finished in the bottom half of the ladder 8 times we should have had at least 10-12. Its a joke.

 

[FightingFury]

One under 20 ?? One what under 20 ??
If your referring to picks then there's 5.
Steinford (16)  Ottens (2)  Fiora (3)  Pettifer (9)  Schulz (12)

Hardy stunning returns from such prized picks are they?

I agree we still have to maintain our high picks,but we need to bolster our recruitment dept to ensure we have given ourselves the best chance at selecting the best available talent by as thorough research as possible.
Im far happier Becks gone,but Miller cant do it all on his own,and Phantom and Redford have commented in the past that Richmonds recruitment teams are far less capable than most other AFL clubs at present.
We don't want to be mired by as poor recruiting as the past 20 years ever again.

Sorry struggs. I was referring to Claws list of acceptable picks of which there was only one under 20.

But giventhat you raise it why the hell have there only been five given that we have finished in the bottom half of the ladder 8 times we should have had at least 10-12. Its a joke.

A crying shame.
When you look at what we could have had with all the picks we traded,and throw in what we would have been offered had we bitten the bullett and traded for Gaspar(Freo) and Holland(Crows) years ago,we may have been challenging the likes of St Kilda.We traded Chris Bond who (was a great tryer,but past his best to Freo) for pick 2 in '97,why didn't we learn from this??

Oh yeah, we had Beck and Spud pulling the strings :'(

 

[the claw]

Draft the kids.

this has been done lots of times before and agree with most of what you say but our drafting has been pathetic right across the board  picks taken sinse 95 are-1995 35 b smith 46 b moore 59 e thompson 67 m raidis
1996 16 p steinfort 35 m chaffey 41 m manfield 55 s mckee 63 j baldwin 72 b frewen 79 d donati
1997 2 ottens 53 l proctor 69 p greenham 71 a kellaway
1998  40 j white55 m dragacevic 68 m greig  79 r hall
1999 3 a fiora 22 e poyas 39 s homewood 52 a mills 78 t zantuck.
2000  9 k pettifer 25 m coughlan 40 c hyde 41 a krakouer 55 c newman 57 s sziller.
2001 33 rodan 63 a houlihan 68 c hyde yes we have used 2 picks on this dud, 77 m mcgrath.
2002 12 j schulz 41 t fleming 47 b nicholls 62 d sipthorp
ive only gone up to 2002 because its to early to make judgements on players drafted after this point.
the above is a disgrace and our trading makes for worse reading. im surprised we havent won a half dozen spoons in this period.
theres hardly a decent player drafted with our early picks yet alone late picks. of the 38 picks used from 95 to 02 we have snared 1 outstanding player in 25 coghlan an honest player in 55 newman and 7 average at best players in79 hall 9 pettifer 35 chaffey 2 ottens 71 kellaway 33 rodan 40 68 hyde.if you include hyde we have 4 late picks who some might call okay players.

Of course its a disgrace but not because we draft poorly but because we limit ourselves to the back end of the draft. Of the picks you mention you will note that there is only one under 20. For a club that has finished in the bottom half for ten years why is this? Its because we give them away. The facts stand up for themselves, while we have got average players in the draft, thats what you expect when  you start selecting in the third round.

wtf when i mwntion acceptable picks i mean right across the board as for the lack of picks under 20 well there are a few and rfc being rfc we have managed to stuff up big time.stienfort ottens fiora pettifer and schulz havent exactly set the world on fire whith the exception of ottens i reckon im being kind when i call them average.

 

[felix]

your right claw. lets draft the kids, actually lets see if we can get into the tac and merge with peel thunder maybee we could go back to under 19s .ahhh yes that would do , get real mate i could just se kids playing port adelaide

 

[Bill James]

wtf when i mwntion acceptable picks i mean right across the board as for the lack of picks under 20 well there are a few and rfc being rfc we have managed to stuff up big time.stienfort ottens fiora pettifer and schulz havent exactly set the world on fire whith the exception of ottens i reckon im being kind when i call them average.

If you know what average means then you will know that 5 is statistically a very small sample and the fact that we got one good player, two average, one dud and one who knows out of 5 means nothing. Overall rougly half the kids drafted have become regular senior players which means two things, our drafting at the back end is ok and the recycled players we picked up for our early draft picks were so pathetic it was easy for or kids to get a game. Both of these facts point to one thing.

Draft the kids

 

[the claw]

wtf when i mwntion acceptable picks i mean right across the board as for the lack of picks under 20 well there are a few and rfc being rfc we have managed to stuff up big time.stienfort ottens fiora pettifer and schulz havent exactly set the world on fire whith the exception of ottens i reckon im being kind when i call them average.

If you know what average means then you will know that 5 is statistically a very small sample and the fact that we got one good player, two average, one dud and one who knows out of 5 means nothing. Overall rougly half the kids drafted have become regular senior players which means two things, our drafting at the back end is ok and the recycled players we picked up for our early draft picks were so pathetic it was easy for or kids to get a game. Both of these facts point to one thing.

Draft the kids

if you think our recruiting has been good at the back end or anywhere for that matter your delusional. as for using early picks on kids ive been screaming out for it for yrs but most ferals it seems are deaf.most cant even see the folly in useing early picks to get johnson and brown.and just because half the kids drafted are getting a regular game doesnt mean they are up to afl standard in fact it just high lights how poor our list is.and how bad recruiting has been.any rather than argue the crux of the matter comes down to how one rates players obviously my bar is set a bit higher than yours.

 

[Scoop]

I'm with the Claw.

Drafting inprovements now won't be felt for 3 or 4 years. We are bearing the fruits of our drafting around 2001-2002-2003 thus the holes in the list. Thus some iffy players are geting a game. Think about it, how many of our guys would get a game in the sides still playing. Not many....

 

[craig]

Dont get me started SCOOPY :hihi

 

[deledio3]

How many changes are required

Exactly

 

[the claw]

How many changes are required

Exactly

as many as it takes.