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Wallace rated our list better tha Hawks

tha8ball said:
This is what really worries me - our 28+yr olds are still the most vital players in out team...what happens when they call it quits or when their form drops off - can Richo deliver a yr like 2008 again?

Time for some tougher decisions.

Unfortunately Wallets overpaided suntanned neck is on the line. The tough decisions that should have been made during his first two seasons won't be made now. He will be purely in survival mode for the next 12 months. Certainly his 'lock and loaded' declaration will only be swallowed by the truly delusion and the gullible. Many of our victories were narrow and against mediocre opposition, whilst our efforts against better credentialled teams were almost uniform uncompetitive. Without our 28+yr olds, and more specifically a 33 year old Richardson our scorecard would have been nothing short of abysmal. And replacements (especially in regards to our big man stocks which are virtually non-existent) are not obvious. With time running against them, can our senior players perform again as they did this year? Especially if we have a tougher draw? Who knows? But don't be surprised though if 2008-2009 turns out to be a repeat of 2006-2007. Spin can only get you so far...
 
Tygrys said:
whilst our efforts against better credentialled teams were almost uniform uncompetitive.

Don't disagree with the rest of your post but obviously you missed the games against Hawthorn, St Kilda and the Bulldogs.
 
I find there comments re list structure interesting. We have developed the makings of a very strong midfield in the Wallace era. Our key back posts are developing nicely: Thursfield, Moore, Mcguane, Rance. We have attempted to draft some key forwards: Riewolt, Hughes and Gourdis. Swap Tamb.... for Fran... and were looking ok! ;)
 
jltiger said:
I find there comments re list structure interesting. We have developed the makings of a very strong midfield in the Wallace era. Our key back posts are developing nicely: Thursfield, Moore, Mcguane, Rance. We have attempted to draft some key forwards: Riewolt, Hughes and Gourdis. Swap Tamb.... for Fran... and were looking ok! ;)

Interesting situation. I think we left the drafting of our forards and ruck too late. Even if we do pick a good forward and ruck we'll need to wait 3-4 years for them to come good.
 
craig said:
The fact Wallet is on the block also makes me feel he will put his own neck ahead of the club next year and wont bring in required structure and young talent in greater numbers to replace dead wood and those with deficiencies that are not gonna be good enough to take the club forward as he will be after a quick fix to sneak a cheap birth in the 8 next year ala his effort last time and Frawleys effort prior.

The fact is CC is in charge now so changes to the list from now on are down to him. I'm confident he will look after the RFC's long term interests first. I expect TW will have input but the decisions will be down to CC with assistance from FJ.
 
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craig said:
Wallace is a snake oil sales man and his golden tonsils and savvy manipulated the RFC the media and most feral tiger fans.

Clarkson did the hard yards and didnt compromise the plan by wasting trades and drafts on half arsed face saving quick results.

Truth is the RFC has never bottomed out to the level the Hawx did. Yes some of the Hawx side was there (Hodge Crawf etc), but correct me if i am wrong as am going off the top of my head the likes of Richo, Brown, Bowden, Newman, Johnson and even Pathetifer and Schulz were at the Tigers too were they not, whilst Simmo came over for 05, and Deledio and Tambling were added at end of 04 also when the Dawx took Buddy and Ruffy etc.

Dermie (god help me) even stated as much. They took the extra pain and offloaded blokes in Hay, Thompson and Rawlings who were the backbone of their previous finals campaign for draft picks when it was evident a re build was required, and they also traded off Everitt and showed the likes of Graham the door.

The Hawks have traded/drafted and built for structure and depth of structure, whilst the ad hock efforts of the RFC has left the Tigers with none. Now the Hawks are in an enviasble position to consider offloading talls like Boyle and Dowler for inflated draft picks to further bolster their stocks whilst the Tigers continue to persist with near enuffs and not good enuffs.

There is no way the RFC has had the guts, vision or the foresight to offload these types, in fact they cant even get rid of players whove given and shown even less than the Hays and Thompsons when they were the mainstays of the HFC spine.

The RFC has proven its reticence and more so its inability to move these player types on, i mean they have kept Schulz for what 6 years now and he has done nothing, they kept Hall for years not to mention likes of Pettifer and Hyde for just as long if not longer for Pettifer, and then gone off and brought in duds like Kingsley, Knobel Bowden, McMuffin and Graham, in desperation efforts for results and to plug gaping holes in the list that couldve been addressed by shrewder drafting trading and management.

Ive got my suspicion that stuff all list management will occur at the RFC this year as Wallet again is spinning sh!t with his locked and loaded rubbish. Cameron or no Cameron no hard decisions will be made at the table imo.
FFS the club struggles to make easy decisions.

The club still has an unbalance list that lacks quality and depth and still has a large number of mediocre players that are not the answer going forward and no doubt the tigers are gonna enter 09 with pretty much the same unbalanced ordinary list as 08. Much the same outcome as they did in 07 after 06, and it most certainly is not inconceivable that the Tigers may tumble in 09 as they did in 07.

The fact Wallet is on the block also makes me feel he will put his own neck ahead of the club next year and wont bring in required structure and young talent in greater numbers to replace dead wood and those with deficiencies that are not gonna be good enough to take the club forward as he will be after a quick fix to sneak a cheap birth in the 8 next year ala his effort last time and Frawleys effort prior.

Should it backfire and i reckon there is every chance it could then Wallet will be gone and the Tigers will be put back another 18 months going forward.

The RFC in 09 is possibly 2 injuries away (Simmo and Richo), and a tougher draw from being in the bottom 4 again especially if the minimum of list changes are made which i reckon will be the case.

This is the year long term and hard decisions, early calls on deficient players must be made, but wont and it is this thought that really p!sses me off.

My opinion of the list and Wallet has not changed and i think the Tigers wallpapered over a few cracks in 08 to be honest.

A poor start to 09 will see the RFC and Wallet cop a savaging the likes not seen for a while, whilst the Hawthorn comparisons will go on and on in the media.

FFS get rid of these spuds and give Francis a chance to build the list better. Jackson can do his job, the RFC needs to give him more opportunities to deliver a strong pool of young talent with quality so the RFC can no longer endure a list infested with mediocrity, imbalance and deficiencies.
i take my hat of to you craig an excellent post and totally agree.
all i can say is the rfc is the epitomy of the old saying half job harry.
structurally not only have they got it arse about face they have butchered it as far as taking the correct type of players goes.
i wonder what the excuses will be when carlton make the 8 next yr and we miss. in all honesty i cant wait, the rfc plants and wallace apologists are going to have their work cut out to pull the wool over ferals eyes.
i remember not so long ago the same idiots putting the boots into clarkson and comparing us getting wallace instead of hawthorn as some sort of coup. well its come back to bite those fools on the arse.
not so long ago we had morons telling us youth policies on the back of finishing low doesnt work. now we cop oh yeah but hawthorn have been building since 01 talk about moving the goal posts.

i have talked about properly bottoming out and looking after list structure for yrs and still ferals cant see the forest for the trees.
ya know people a dud is a dud is a dud. and a fool is a fool is a fool. it seems the rfc is riddled with both at all levels of the game.
 
the claw said:
i wonder what the excuses will be when carlton make the 8 next yr and we miss. in all honesty i cant wait, the rfc plants and wallace apologists are going to have their work cut out to pull the wool over ferals eyes.

Can't wait to see Carlton make the 8 at our expense .... this guy really loves the RFC.

I'll assume this is so that he has some "broken record" crap to write about each night on PRE rather than wishing any harm on the RFC.

Claw, there's a club called Collingwood you might like to join.
 
Mark Thompson - Coaching Record

2000 12 Wins 10 Losses
2001 09 Wins 13 Losses
2002 11 Wins 11 Losses
2003 07 Wins 14 Losses
2004 16 Wins 09 Losses
2005 13 Wins 11 Losses
2006 10 Wins 11 Losses *Almost Sacked
2007 21 Wins 04 Losses
2008 23 Wins 02 Losses


Mark Thompson's average wins after 4 years at Geelong: 9.75
Terry Wallace's average wins after 4 years at Richmond: 8.75

Mark Thompson inherited a team that won 10 games in 1999.
Terry Wallace inherited a team that won 4 games in 2004

I'll wait for the eventual Hawthorn comparison next - but I think we'll all agree, their accelerated rise is an exception, rather than the norm.

Hell, even Kevin Sheedy only won 4 premierships in 27 years (and we only care about those right?) - thats one in every 6 or 7 years from a club thats rarely had financial trouble and a consistent crop of talent.

If things are on the up - is that not all we can ask for? The last 28 years haven't been the fault of one man you know.

Cherio!
 
doherz said:
Do you call yourself a supporter? Tell me how you are supporting the club with comments such as these? If you had any brains or were any good, you'd be on the board, you'd be a part of the EGM team or your'd be coaching the side. Since you are doing none of these, i can only conclude that you are an armchair nobody that is angry at the world for some unknown reason and need to take it out on the people at our great club that are actially trying to do something about our position, instead of sitting back and criticising.

Why dont you go and badger some other club and their board (perhaps hawthorn), becuase we've had a gutful. As my mother used to say - If you dont have anything nice to say, F*ck off!

mate where do you get off continuously tell me people where to go? This is at least the 3rd time your telling pre posters this, why i dont agree with peoples posts and vice versa and im sure alot people do disagree on this site theres no need to be carrying like a chicken without its head!! Your the angry person in my opinion.
Now why dont you run along and join scumwoods forum where you will fit right in with there foul mouthed supporters.
 
TakeAPunt said:
Mark Thompson - Coaching Record

2000 12 Wins 10 Losses
2001 09 Wins 13 Losses
2002 11 Wins 11 Losses
2003 07 Wins 14 Losses
2004 16 Wins 09 Losses
2005 13 Wins 11 Losses
2006 10 Wins 11 Losses *Almost Sacked
2007 21 Wins 04 Losses
2008 23 Wins 02 Losses


Mark Thompson's average wins after 4 years at Geelong: 9.75
Terry Wallace's average wins after 4 years at Richmond: 8.75

Mark Thompson inherited a team that won 10 games in 1999.
Terry Wallace inherited a team that won 4 games in 2004

I'll wait for the eventual Hawthorn comparison next - but I think we'll all agree, their accelerated rise is an exception, rather than the norm.

Hell, even Kevin Sheedy only won 4 premierships in 27 years (and we only care about those right?) - thats one in every 6 or 7 years from a club thats rarely had financial trouble and a consistent crop of talent.

If things are on the up - is that not all we can ask for? The last 28 years haven't been the fault of one man you know.

Cherio!

Stop being so logical TAP!

It doesn't belong at PRE. :P
 
AZZ said:
Can't wait to see Carlton make the 8 at our expense .... this guy really loves the RFC.

I'll assume this is so that he has some "broken record" crap to write about each night on PRE rather than wishing any harm on the RFC.

Claw, there's a club called Collingwood you might like to join.
sheesh thick as well as irrational. of course i hate the rfc. no lets me rephrase i hate the way they go about things, the jumper itself is the only thing worth standing up for the way the club and the ferals are is not how it should be or how it was.

the carlton comparison is a logical next step. in fact i have often said if we are to compare ourselves against anyone over the last 7 yrs carlton is the team.and the reasons are obvious.
like i said i wonder what the excuses will be when that club goes back up the ladder past us.and you know imo for all the reasons i carry on about us carlton for the same reasons have done what i think we should have as far as building a structured list goes. they may not have it all right and they may have got a fair bit wrong but they have gone about it the right way. the fruit is nearly in the pudding for those arse holes.
 
Hypoxic said:
My spelling is way above your level Jamo......and you should not be so defensive about being called a clown after posting such drivel.

Real Tiger SUPPORTERS are consistent, not like gooses that just blow with the wind. (I know that the plural of a goose is geese, but blokes like you are gooses)

Terry and his band of assistants are just what we need, but they, and we, need gooses like you to support them.

I can't wait to send you a PM just one minute after TW becomes the next premiership coach since our beloved Tony Jewel.

Having said that, I would love to buy you a beer to celebrate our Premiership too.

Firstly champ, I don't give a rats about my spelling, I get by just fine without it and it is the least of my problems. But thanks anyway for noticing I cannot spell.

Secondly , I am defensive when people like you seem to do is attack snippets of a post, You don't read a statement in it's entirety, you just pick out what you don't like. You rate Wallace, I don't, that's your issue. Not mine, you defend him by attacking me. Again that's your problem.

I have merely said that Wallace chased shallow victories in his first two years to pump his own credibility up, instead of trading hard and recruiting for long term stability and success of the team, instead of short term success of T Wallace.
If you call that dribble, then I think you may be getting high on your own supply.

Questioning my support of the RFC is a low blow, I support a young family on my own and still scrape up enough for a membership, even though I work most weekends to make ends meet and miss the games.
So please refrain from questioning my loyalty and right to support the Tigers. Like everyone else I want what is best for the team, I am of the opinion that TW is not what we need. Sorry you don't agree.

Last of all

You want to call me a goose that can't spell as good as you, and say I shouldn't support the tigers because of my opinion of TW and still shout me a beer.
Look in the mirror princess, I think there may be a goose staring straight back at you. :rofl

P.S I have no problem with kingy or Macrae staying on board.