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Wallace's Fifth year of his Contract
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what is there to comment on. i dont rate wins over bottom teams as anything noteworthy.WesternTiger said:
having watched the game i dont think we did anything special. we got on top of the worst team in the comp atm.and yes i am bamboozled at how bad wce are atm.good teams and poor teams are belting them atm very difficult to read anything into the game.
i thought the first quarter the worst quarter of football i have seen this yr. the eagles were lamentable and i can see why geelong did em by so much they will get the spoon this yr.
would i be happy to finish bottom 4 you bet ya if that means losing every game from here on in so be it. the bombers next week go the bombers.
why do i have this attitude its simple imo theres more benefit in losing games at this stage and getting a very early pick than finishing 9th. i have consistantly said this and i stick by it especially when one considers where our list is at.
you see thats the difference between me and the ferals. i dont let a few meaningless wins cloud my judgement i focus totally on the list its structure its depth its quality the player type. the over all skill set individual players strengths and weaknesses. winning games at this point in time to me is not important. we are at the stage where we need to get our priorities right.early picks are more important than winning games atm.
we have geelong and hawthorn in rounds 18 and 20 come talk to me after those games i will be intersted in what excuses get shuffled out this time around.
why dont i rate us its easy and i have not changed my thinking one bit. we have no depth we have poor list structure and a motley array of the wrong player type. we also lack enough real quality. what we are currently doing is a repeat of what we have done in the past.rise to ninth or god forbid 8th and then watch everyone scratch their heads in wonder asking why we cant go further.
the claw said:
Sorry claw don't agree, I think our depth is building nicely. Some youngsters are starting to step up and there are more choices in most positions. Whilst we haven't beaten any of the top temas this year we've given each of the top 3 teams this year a run for their money (Geelong was a one quarter lapse, beat the in every other quarter). The top 3 teams have been a class above the rest this year (theyve lost 4 games between them out of 45 games) and I'd say outside those 3 we have one of the best average performances against those 3 teams.
You say our development is more of the same as the past but I personally don't remember having the number of prospective quality youngsters coming up, most with very good disposal skills. We have been inconsistent this year, there have been lapses, and at times the play has been awful, but it is definitely not more of the same. I think we can continue to improve on this year, all the youngsters with an extra year under their belt, and think we'll most likely play finals next year. That's my early prediction anyway, anything can happen.
can only go on how you rate em. i hope your right but i can conservatively say theres a minimum of 25 i would like to turn over. some i would keep under certain circumstances . 25 minimum its hard to rate the list when you come from this perspective.GoodOne said:
Don't see any positives in the Richmond victory claw?
That's surprising given how highly you rate West Coast's list.
Definitely think we are showing improvement.
That West Coast side had 13 former premiership players in it and we had 11 kids under 50 games.
It was a good win.
That's surprising given how highly you rate West Coast's list.
GoodOne said:
Definitely think we are showing improvement.
That West Coast side had 13 former premiership players in it and we had 11 kids under 50 games.
It was a good win.
And which players would you keep Claw?
I think the list is starting to look good. The key is to continue to play the kids.
What the club needs to do now is make the hard call on some of the older players. Richardson not included, he must stay as despite his age he is still in our top 3 best and has maybe 2 - 3 years left in him.
I think the list is starting to look good. The key is to continue to play the kids.
What the club needs to do now is make the hard call on some of the older players. Richardson not included, he must stay as despite his age he is still in our top 3 best and has maybe 2 - 3 years left in him.
the claw said:
Bottom team Claw
You cant be seriousThis is your West Cost Eagles with the great recruiting gurus. It has followed the talls, talls talls big body mantra you have preached.
Talls, talls, talls, ginger talls, slow talls, fat talls, strong talls, ugly talls, Talls talls talls
Cox, Hunter, Glass, Lynch, Hansen, Jones, talls talls talls - premiership talls
plus young gun talls Kennedy and Mckinley - more talls than you can shake a stick at?
Wonder why they have dropped off this year - just the same as previous years except thyy're missing some inconsequential mids in Judd and Cousins and Kerr is in and out with injury and suspension - Nah that couldn't be it, could it Clawsy.
Dont tell me that the Eagle juggernaut is only a mirage built on a handful of outstanding midfielders. That'd be too simple an anwer surely
Tigers of Old said:
Our club has been on the improve markedly for a good 12 months now but most don't believe it till it's actually converted into wins.
It may sound like a cliche but it's all about the process,the wins will eventually look after themselves.
evo said:
Are we going backwards at 100 miles/hr when we're actually going marching forwards
the claw said:
It is when you are coming from there yourself.
Moore
White
Schulz
Hughes
Riewoldt
Cotchin
McMahon
Brown
Morton
There's some 'improvement' right there for a start. Open your other eye claw.
we have beaten bottom sides every yr since wallace has been there beating bottom teams is meaningless. it really does mean nothing.Tigers of Old said:
especially if things like structure player type and work ethic has not changed. or you lack depth
moore - has improved a solid player.
white - footsoldier. needs to improve more.
schulz - is what hes always been ordinary.
hughes - didnt want to go here yet, but looks one dimensional have my doubts.
riewoldt - looks promising but has a way to go.
cotchin - looks the goods even at this early stage.
mcmahon - is a dud.
brown - 30yo with his best behind him its all downhill from here.
morton - looks promising has a long way to go.
yeah there is some improvement i have never said there wasnt. but in relation to other teams where are we in the scheme of things. with all the early picks you would hope there was some improvement.where is the overall list at.
a question take cotchin and deledio out of the scheme and where are we. or ask yourself how many of our talls are actually good enough or have actually made the grade. how many are likely to.
rather than go thru this over and over here is a list of players i would keep with an eye to 2011 not all may make it either.some i would only give another yr and put the ball in their court..
casserly.collins connors, cotchin. deledio, edwards.foley. gourdis, graham hughes, moore. morton, newman, putt. rance, riewoldt,tambling. thursfield, white.
i would not want any others on the list by 2011 unless they show marked improvement or can overcome long term injury, some may well prove me wrong.those that might prove me wrong are polo coughlan for different reasons.
its only my opinion but i dont think we have a starting 22 yet alone the 30 34 players you will need in 2011 to compete for a top 4 spot.
common sense says by 2011 richo bowden brown simmonds johnson will be gone.geez by then all of casserly gourdis graham hughes tambling could be gone as well.
youngsters i have little hope for are pattison mcguane meyer jon , i could have added 4 or 5 from the above.
pettifer tivendals hyde jackson should go asap.king polak schulz tuck mcmahon raines we just have to do better.all the rookies are hacks except maybe collard but you have to think he wont make it.
anyway i ramble on 19 thats it and imo thats being kind 19 players of various degrees of quality who may or may not make it thats our 2011.
this is where im coming fromlooking 3 yrs down the track and in all honesty i just cant see us being a good consistant finals side by then not with the majority of players we have.
there are some fundamental things that we differ in oldie. list structure and player type the least of our differences. where we think our players are at and how good they and how we look at our players is another.
finally on wce i go on about their list structure ad nauseum i praise their processes i talk about how many talls they and how they go about getting those talls. i go on about their big bodies. they have always been defensively very good big strong key backs the best in the business very good midfield and on ballers with adequate big key forwards and solid combative ruckmen.in other words a well rounded footy team.
i base this on their history living here with eagle mates ive been forced to watch them. their processes have had them miss finals just 3 times in 22 yrs this tells me that the way they go about it is correct. and the way they have gone about it has hardly changed in those 22 yrs. surely we can learn from them.surely we arent that blinkered that we cant learn.
finally if you are looking at structure geelong of 2007were structured exactly like the eagles of 2006.. excellent onball /midfield players probably a little more depth. excellent key defenders with adequate key forwards with solid combative ruckmen. ithink geelong have ended up a better all round team.
finally geelong have 16 genuine tall players on their list plus rookies. they have 16 even though they delisted 5 talls last yr. if we dont want to learn of wce perhaps we should take a leaf out of the catters book.
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I hate band wagonners,and pessimists.If you want to take a leaf out of the catters book,understand that if Richmond beat them last year at K Park,a whole new committee,coach,and other admin would have taken place.I know this because I leave in Geelong,and was actually asked to be on the new board(said no,I follow Richmond,they said we do not care,need a doer),given that ,the rest is history.Now it is about time the stirrers here encouraged our present regime and players,and stopped overanalising every kick and stat.Claw,you threw your ticket away before the weagles game,go and pick it up,see the Tiges put it up the bombers,and cling onto the hope that we might just creep into a finals berth.AND if that does happen and we get trounced,so what.At least the likes of Richo and Bowden have gotten a farewell taste of what it is like,not to mention how it would be for the inexperienced players.the claw said:
