Wallace's Tigers, after two drafts.

[geoffryprettyboy]

I don't want to bring up the same old stuff again, BUT, under the regimes of Robert 'I'm an arrogant prick' Walls, The Unleash the Geisch era - LOL, and Danny 'Of course everything is cherry ripe' Frawley, these so called 'coaches' set us back in the development of our players mentally and physically, and we have been paying dearly on the scoreboard up to the Wallace appointment.  Do you all remember last year this time when at training they were failing down like nine pins?  That wasn't because they had 'Bali Belly' it was because they weren't trained hard enough under the coconuts we called coaches.

There is no doubt that TW will instill mental toughness, teaching the fundamentals of playing and winning, and drilling them on the training track to be elite athletes.  The only question is whether these draft picks over the last couple of years will make it - and no one has a crystal ball to know whether they will be 10 year players for the Tigers.  Of course there are good signs with some of the youngens, but nothing is certain.

My concern is that our recent acquistion of talls (Schulz, Limbach, McGuane, Patto) must come up and really nail themselves into walk up starters in the team, or else there will be big trouble in little China.

 

[The Mighty Wozman]

My concern is that our recent acquistion of talls (Schulz, Limbach, McGuane, Patto) must come up and really nail themselves into walk up starters in the team, or else there will be big trouble in little China.

Yep. For the Tigers to truly become a force (i.e. making two finals appearances in a row would be nice) these guys all need to make the next step up. While Wallace is preparing for the run and carry game, there is no doubt these guys will be required to play a role if they are up to it.

 

[craig]

The list has changed yes no doubt but i am looking forward to future changes resulting from development of our youngsters and a good 06 draft ie 6 - 7 players rather than just 3 i believe the club will really be readying itself to move on up.

This list is of guys i reckon the club could let go at years end without any fuss, or fear and those who would be best placed to replace them.


Hall - Schulz, McGuane or hopefully KP defender from draft.

Hyde - Meyer faster, better skills great mark for his height and more damaging by foot than Hydey. Will be a bolter in 06.

Tivendale - White or JON pace, and apparant silky skills, White by reports is very poised and a good grab probably best placed for Tivenduds spot.

Chaffey - Casserly to replace the Chaff long kicking, fast and great foot skills, ahhh yes very nice replacement for the Chaff. Hartigan and Jackson also good replacements for Newmo who could then be released into the middle to provide bigger body and ball winning presence to assist Tucky and Cogs.

Pettifer - Will have pressure from Bowden P or Lids when resting up forward or tag dodging for his spot possibly Blinga but at the moment no standout to take his spot as a medium marking option which hurts me to say it as Blinga not a marking target, maybe Hughes in the future as he develops as a Key Forward type.


Players that will be missed when retired and there possible replacements.

Andy Kellaway is a player that will definately be missed when retires which is not out of the equation for years end but i think Thursty Willy is the man for his mantle as he is developed into a key figure of the tigers future defensive structure.

Stafford - Patto as he develops as a Ruck / Forward. Or even further into the future young Graham who knows.


Meyer , Schulz, Thursfield, Jackson, Hartigan, White, Casserly, JON, Hughes, McGuane, Pattison makes for better reading than - Hall, Hyde, Pettifer, Chaffey, Tivendale, Stafford for mine.
Hopefully many of these changes can be in the offing if not during the 06 year but definately for 07.

 

[The Mighty Wozman]

The list has changed yes no doubt but i am looking forward to future changes resulting from development of our youngsters and a good 06 draft ie 6 - 7 players rather than just 3 i believe the club will really be readying itself to move on up.

This list is of guys i reckon the club could let go at years end without any fuss, or fear and those who would be best placed to replace them.


Hall -  Schulz, McGuane or hopefully KP defender from draft.

Hyde - Meyer faster, better skills great mark for his height and more damaging by foot than Hydey. Will be a bolter in 06.

Tivendale - White or JON pace, and apparant silky skills, White by reports is very poised and a good grab probably best placed for Tivenduds spot.

Chaffey - Casserly to replace the Chaff long kicking, fast and great foot skills, ahhh yes very nice replacement for the Chaff. Hartigan and Jackson also good replacements for Newmo who could then be released into the middle to provide bigger body and ball winning presence to assist Tucky and Cogs.

Pettifer - Will have pressure from Bowden P or Lids when resting up forward or tag dodging for his spot possibly Blinga but at the moment no standout to take his spot as a medium marking option which hurts me to say it as Blinga not a marking target, maybe Hughes in the future as he develops as a Key Forward type.


Players that will be missed when retired and there possible replacements.

Andy Kellaway is a player that will definately be missed when retires which is not out of the equation for years end but i think Thursty Willy is the man for his mantle as he is developed into a key figure of the tigers future defensive structure.

Stafford -  Patto as he develops as a Ruck / Forward. Or even further into the future young Graham who knows.


Meyer , Schulz,  Thursfield, Jackson, Hartigan, White, Casserly, JON, Hughes, McGuane, Pattison makes for better reading than -  Hall,  Hyde,  Pettifer,  Chaffey,  Tivendale,  Stafford for mine.
Hopefully many of these changes can be in the offing if not during the 06 year but definately for 07.

good point Craig. It seems as though TW has earmarked the suspect players/areas in the team and recruited guys who can go for these spots. I am excited about the prospect of players having to fight for a spot as opposed to walking into the team in poor form.

 

[tigericho]

comprehensive list update Craig.

I wonder about *smile*, Johnstone, even Richo. can these players be covered using your planning??

 

[craig]

Dont know if you are takin the *smile* tigericho but as it stand at the moment looking at our list we have no one to takeover from either Richo nor Gaspar at this stage which is why we need to draft some key forwards and backs at the 06 draft.

McGuane and Schulz may be prospects as may be Hughes but we will need more options for class as well as depth.
Players like Richo and Gaspar dont grow on trees which is why the tigers must get serious bout their future replacements, as Thursfield is years away from being a key defender and there is no obvious other options except for maybe Schulz or  McGuane getting a go at CHB.

We do have a lot of midfield youth although Johnston is a 2 time premiership player as well as a good player and he also is not easily replaced but the development of Lids, Tuck, Cogs, and possibly Newman and White, Meyer ect may allow for his replacement eventually, not to mention more youngsters in the draft.

 

[pahoffm]

Just as an afterthought,
I was reminded of the Tigers at the start of the 1978 season.
Some of you might remember that the Tigers played in the 1977 finals, but failed to go further than the 1st semi final.

The 1977 1st Semi side was something like this:
Keane, Jenkinson, Cloke
Gaunt, Bourke, Sheedy
Walsh, Malthouse, Wood
Edwards, Jess, N.Roberts
Dunne, Noonan, Raines
Balme, Monteath, Bartlett

Barry Richardson, coach at the time, chose to experiment with the setup of the side and started the next season, 1978, against Carlton, with a side that resembled this:
Malthouse, Jenkinson, Bourke
Strachan, Tempany, Keane
Wood, Walsh, Raines
Monteath, Cloke, Einsedel
Jess, Edwards, Weightman
Balme, Berry, Bartlett

Many of you will remember that we thrashed Carlton that day.
We were 2nd on the ladder mid-season, then tired to finish about 7th, outside the final 5.
Terry should remember that year too, it was his 1st senior premiership win with the Hawkers.
Of course, we went on to win a premiership in 1980.

The moral of my story is that the changes that we are prepared to make now will positively affect us in 2 or 3 years. A postponement of those changes just leads to a deferment of those positive outcomes until later.

 

[craig]

Agreed Phantom bring on the kids.

I for one couldnt care less if we finished stone motherless as long as the kids are developed and given a good run.

 

[Tigerfan]

The list has changed yes no doubt but i am looking forward to future changes resulting from development of our youngsters and a good 06 draft ie 6 - 7 players rather than just 3 i believe the club will really be readying itself to move on up.
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Meyer , Schulz,  Thursfield, Jackson, Hartigan, White, Casserly, JON, Hughes, McGuane, Pattison makes for better reading than -  Hall,  Hyde,  Pettifer,  Chaffey,  Tivendale,  Stafford for mine.
Hopefully many of these changes can be in the offing if not during the 06 year but definately for 07.

a much better post Craig ...opinion balanced with reason
Well done Claw for getting the D*D word into the thread

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Looking at DDT's original list, in most cases the club seems to have replaced ordinary players with more talented ones better suited to todays brand of football and it shows foward thinking that was not present before the arrival of Wallace at Punt Road.

 

[Mikee]

[*]Wallace has made significant additions to the height of the list.

It really will be interesting to see what McGuane, Hughes, Shultz and
Hall do over the next 1-2 years. If all manage to develop to the point of Senior KPP, their drafting over the last two years will appear to be inspired. None of them come through ... & we may end up in the Footscray situation.

Would of thought Hall is already considered one of the senior KPP, but that's just my opinion.  Maybe slotting Limbach's name in there would fit with the others u've mentioned.  Cheers.

GO TIGES!!!

 

[the claw]

its not our younger players who are mentally soft but the abundance of mature duds who keep on getting regular games.these same dud players are the ones who should be leading from the front and guiding our kids thru tough situations.

Claw no one is saying our younger players are mentally soft.  They are young and developing mentally and physically.  It takes time to adjust to that level I am sure you will agree.

Just who are the abundance of mature duds that you refer too.

No one disputes that we have some who are suspect and their positions are under threat no doubt about it.

Sometimes it appears as if you don't want to hear anything at odds with your Dud theory.  What the hell are you going to do when you have no duds to blame. ;D :hihi

you dont want to hear the answer to your first question and the answerto your second is join the flamin brightside.on second thoughts i think id rather cut my nose of to spite my face.

 

[purepoweryouth]

Looking at DDT's original list, in most cases the club seems to have replaced ordinary players with more talented ones better suited to todays brand of football and it shows foward thinking that was not present before the arrival of Wallace at Punt Road.

Too true and I cant say it isn't about time!

 

[craig]

its not our younger players who are mentally soft but the abundance of mature duds who keep on getting regular games.these same dud players are the ones who should be leading from the front and guiding our kids thru tough situations.

Claw no one is saying our younger players are mentally soft.  They are young and developing mentally and physically.  It takes time to adjust to that level I am sure you will agree.

Just who are the abundance of mature duds that you refer too.

No one disputes that we have some who are suspect and their positions are under threat no doubt about it.

Sometimes it appears as if you don't want to hear anything at odds with your Dud theory.  What the hell are you going to do when you have no duds to blame. ;D :hihi

you dont want to hear the answer to your first question and the answerto your second is join the flamin brightside.on second thoughts i think id rather cut my nose of to spite my face.

:hihi :hihi :hihi

 

[gustiger12]

on second thoughts i think id rather cut my nose of to spite my face.

I think you just did. ;D

Nice side step Claw. 

By the way happy new year to you and all PRE'enders.

Brightsider and Darksiders alike.  ;D ;D