Wasted first round draft picks.

[tha8ball]

For you Harry... The Bullies - players who are still playing...

1999 - Murphy (13), Giansiracusa (32), Hahn (37), Gilbee (43), [Bowden (58)], Hargraves (66), Eagleton for
          Montgomery

2000 -  McMahon (10), Birss (26), Cross (56), Skipper (70)

2001 - Power (10), McGuiness (42), Harris (71)

2002 - Walsh (4), Faulkner (17), Minson (20), B.Murphy (33)

2003 - Cooney (1), Ray (4), Thompson (50)

2004 - Griffen (3), Williams (6), J Wells (22), McCormack (38), Tiller (54),


i remeber players like Jordan McMahon, Sam Power even Lindsay Gilbee getting touted as too small and soft and now look at them... it has taken 4-5 years for them to become established players....4 - 5 YEARS!! Even Will Minson was drafted back in 2002 and it has taken him till now to be a regular....yet we have given our boys 15 months and we want results.....i wonder if the bullies are impatient over Wells, Mcormack, Tiller even Farren Ray......i doubt it.

 

[tha8ball]

and one more thing Wallace was in charge when this group of players were drafted :

1999 - Murphy (13), Giansiracusa (32), Hahn (37), Gilbee (43), [Bowden (58)], Hargraves (66), Eagleton for
           Montgomery

2000 -  McMahon (10), Birss (26), Cross (56), Skipper (70)

2001 - Power (10), McGuiness (42), Harris (71)


.... he isnt an idiot.

 

[tigersnake]

Few points, me and a lot of other were screaming for a rebuild a couple of years ago, you could argue about a few details, but basically we are seeing a rebuild.  They take time

also, as many have said, not all draftees are Judd or Deledio.  I'd like to see a study of top who took a few years to become top players.  Hodge and Wirrpanda are 2 well-known examples.  I'm actually pretty confident that our crop of youngsters will yield better than the average, which be OK.

I agree with a few marginal points, like Humm, and I personally think Shultz should be showing more than he is, I also think our recruiting could improve, but the fact is a rebuild is taking place and it will take some time.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

Hey Madcow - a top 20 pick MUST show something in the reserves at least. Especially on-ballers, which is what Tambling, Meyer and Polo are. They have shown nothing so far.

So far being the operative word Harold.

 

[bullus_hit]

It's interesting that the doomsdayers like to highlight the Bullies as a successful model yet choose to omit the fact that Terry Wallace was at the helm during the rebuilding phase, players such as Gian, Hahn and Gilbee all took time to develop and that the team were the easy beats for 3 years. At the equivalent stage we are no worse off than the Dogs - this year we have been handed a horrendous draw and have suffered injuries to most of our key backmen. Lighten up people, no one said success would occur overnight and I think for many jaded supporters, the tendancy to continually highlight the negative is something of a favourite pastime. The Miller obsession is reaching pathetic proportions, especially when his successes such as Tuck, Raines, Thursfield and Brown are omitted.

 

[Inspector]

Ease back about peoples we are a middle of the road side at best can challange good sides when every player on the park & in form. Have a very young list which will take time to mature will be bottom 4 this year & pick up some more quality talent in apparently the best draft for a long time. Look at the sides we have played so far all will battle top 4 & we have not played at the MCG where we play our best footy have always struggled at the Dome due to our skill level which will improve with time.

 

[Redford]

Great post.

People say let go of the past, but you can't untill things change.  Our recruiting has been pathetic and still is.  In 2005 we had a chance to turn the whole club around with 5 top 20 picks (no-one in the history of the game has ever had that).  But yet again we seem to have stuffed it up again.  Without being too harsh on the kids, besides Deledio, it doesn't look good with the rest.  Top 20 picks should show something into their second year and IMO Tambling Meyer Polo and Pattison have shown absolutely nothing to get excited about.   

I've seen enough to convince me that Miller and his recruiting staff know nothing about talent spotting.  It's time to revamp the entire department.

UnBloodyBelievable.The kids are 18 or thereabouts In only their 2nd year at the highest level. :

Hey Madcow - a top 20 pick MUST show something in the reserves at least.  Especially on-ballers, which is what Tambling, Meyer and Polo are.  They have shown nothing so far.  

Yeah yeah General whatever you reckon.  If Miller was such a gun recruiter then we'd have exciting kids coming through.  The only kids that show something atm are Deledio, Raines and Thursfield.  The rest are average and success won't come from them.  I'll say it again - top 20 picks must show something in their second year - at least in the reserves.

Have a look at geelongs recruiting.  They virtually recruited their today's starting 22 in 3-4 drafts. 

If anyone's got spare time go through the bulldogs first round draft picks for the past 8-9 years.  If you've got more spare time post them.  Then compare them to ours.  You'll see who can spot talent and who can't.

Are you referring to Scott Clayton Harry ? He's got a great track record that bloke. (Did I ever tell you the story about the day I spent sitting next to him and the Bulldogs boys at the U/18 National Carnival ?)

 

[Dean3]

Geez there's some rubbish posted on this site in the guise of meaningful comment. Especially "Exhibits B, C & D". Blimey, these guys haven't even played a game yet and we're pointing out deficiencies, writing them off and bagging recruitment staff over them.

And this, 24 games into a long term rebuild!

It's virtually a truism and cliche to say that our recruitment hasn't been good over a long period of time. It's boring and repetitive, like this point I'm making. Just chill out, watch the kids develop and look forward to a brighter future. Of course some aren't going to make it. That's par for the course, but let's not try to predict which ones before they're even out of nappies. 

 

[Tubytiger]

Geez there's some rubbish posted on this site in the guise of meaningful comment. Especially "Exhibits B, C & D". Blimey, these guys haven't even played a game yet and we're pointing out deficiencies, writing them off and bagging recruitment staff over them.

And this, 24 games into a long term rebuild!

It's virtually a truism and cliche to say that our recruitment hasn't been good over a long period of time. It's boring and repetitive, like this point I'm making. Just chill out, watch the kids develop and look forward to a brighter future. Of course some aren't going to make it. That's par for the course, but let's not try to predict which ones before they're even out of nappies. 

Whilst i agree in general with what your saying D3 - this board is great because of its differing views on RFC as a whole. One poster can be watching the same piece of play and call it slightly(if not totally) different to another. It's a reflection of society mate, you will never get totally harmony because of what individuals percieve.

Just state your views and tolerate the ones you dont whilst giving your opinion. This really is one great board and more importantly a footy club which we all bloody love mate.

 

[Mikee]

and one more thing Wallace was in charge when this group of players were drafted :

1999 - Murphy (13), Giansiracusa (32), Hahn (37), Gilbee (43), [Bowden (58)], Hargraves (66), Eagleton for
           Montgomery

2000 -  McMahon (10), Birss (26), Cross (56), Skipper (70)

2001 - Power (10), McGuiness (42), Harris (71)


.... he isnt an idiot.

Wallace was coach. SCOTT CLAYTON was/is the recruiter. Credit goes to Clayton, not Wallace.

GO TIGES!!!

 

[Dyer'ere]

At Greg Miller's draft preview last year, he mentioned that you can't get a refund for a draft choice.

I suggested that Fergus Watts was a case of getting a refund. Drafted by Adelaide at #14(?) and traded to StKilda for #17(?).

Gram was a refund too.

In each of these cases, there is a homing pigeon factor.

With homing pigeons you get the impression that they are not trying in their new state because they are homesick. I wonder if we have any interstate players who appear not to be exerting themselves. I wonder if such players are homing pigeons.

But most of all I wonder if we can get a refund.

 

[FightingFury]

At Greg Miller's draft preview last year, he mentioned that you can't get a refund for a draft choice.

I suggested that Fergus Watts was a case of getting a refund. Drafted by Adelaide at #14(?) and traded to StKilda for #17(?).

Gram was a refund too.

In each of these cases, there is a homing pigeon factor.

With homing pigeons you get the impression that they are not trying in their new state because they are homesick. I wonder if we have any interstate players who appear not to be exerting themselves. I wonder if such players are homing pigeons.

But most of all I wonder if we can get a refund.

Such as young Meesen over in Adelaide BuyaBeer??
Taken at 8 wasn't he?
Young ruckman who hasn't figured for the Crows and may see a future in his home state.
With Stafford putting his nickle plated elbows into retirement maybe some bait should be laid for that 'refund' you speak of?

 

[Tango]

all this talk about rebuilding and wasted picks and getting early picks

Ok - we all agree our list is pretty poor and we are rebuilding

IF we finish last this year the best we can do is get picks 1, 17 & 18 - is that enough in what is supposed to be the super draft

well i say its time to shed some skin, break with our tradition and push for the most amount of low picks we can get (ala the Hawks)

that means we need to trade senior players with some value left, i offer the following list of those players who qualify (senior & value) - you guys tell me who you are prepared to offer??? Im not suggesting you trade all of them just listing thye only players i believe we have with trade value for decent picks

1. Richo
2. J.Bowden
3. Coughlan
4. Gaspar
5. Knoble
6. Tuck
7. Brown

If you want the best talent available in the draft you need to pay the price, what are you prepared to pay?

 

[Spirit of Jack]

Shame we did not do this last year. We have no chance of a premiership until 2012, therefore I would trade any of them for the right deal (of draft picks).

It may seem disloyal to trade Richo, but at the end of this year he may be happy to go to a premiership contender after years of fustration and little hope of premiership success in the next few years.

 

[philipwalsh]

At Greg Miller's draft preview last year, he mentioned that you can't get a refund for a draft choice.

I suggested that Fergus Watts was a case of getting a refund. Drafted by Adelaide at #14(?) and traded to StKilda for #17(?).

Gram was a refund too.

In each of these cases, there is a homing pigeon factor.

With homing pigeons you get the impression that they are not trying in their new state because they are homesick. I wonder if we have any interstate players who appear not to be exerting themselves. I wonder if such players are homing pigeons.

But most of all I wonder if we can get a refund.

Good point but do you think we could tell at this early stage with Meyer? Is he playing that far below his best? I haven't seen him to be honest, but next tuesday at Coburg is a good opportunity being anzac day so I'll check him out then.

 

[Dean3]

I'd definitely trade Tivendale and Hall for 2nd/3rd rounders if possible. I'd also trade one of Coughlan for a top 5, Tuck for a top 5, or Richo.

Coughlan and Richo to West Coast for Judd and a 4th rounder. :hihi

Depends very much on the strength of the draft though — if it is a superdraft as rumoured and we stand a chance of grabbing a Riewoldt & Ball in the top 5, then I say go for it, trade whoever you need to get it done.

 

[philipwalsh]

and one more thing Wallace was in charge when this group of players were drafted :

1999 - Murphy (13), Giansiracusa (32), Hahn (37), Gilbee (43), [Bowden (58)], Hargraves (66), Eagleton for
           Montgomery

2000 -  McMahon (10), Birss (26), Cross (56), Skipper (70)

2001 - Power (10), McGuiness (42), Harris (71)


.... he isnt an idiot.

Wallace was coach.  SCOTT CLAYTON was/is the recruiter.  Credit goes to Clayton, not Wallace.

GO TIGES!!!

You think Wallace had nothing to do with it? Why would you, being a Richmond supporter have an investment in bagging Terry. He will prove to be the best thing that has happened to Richmond. 98% on here was overjoyed when Wallace became coach and when we got Tambling at pick 4. Doesn't take much to turn hey.

 

[bullus_hit]

and one more thing Wallace was in charge when this group of players were drafted :

1999 - Murphy (13), Giansiracusa (32), Hahn (37), Gilbee (43), [Bowden (58)], Hargraves (66), Eagleton for
           Montgomery

2000 -  McMahon (10), Birss (26), Cross (56), Skipper (70)

2001 - Power (10), McGuiness (42), Harris (71)


.... he isnt an idiot.

Wallace was coach.  SCOTT CLAYTON was/is the recruiter.  Credit goes to Clayton, not Wallace.

GO TIGES!!!

Mikee, the Bulldogs team screams Wallace all over - quick mobile running players interspersed with taller quick running players. To suggest that Wallace doesn't have any say in recriuiting is like suggesting that the draft is a game of chook lotto for coaches. Wallace has been clear with his message regarding the acquisition of skillful and quick players, this is why we find Deledio, Tambling, Meyer, JON and Casserley  on our list. If anyone can recall Terry's expression after securing Tambling in 2004, one will appreciate that coaches aren't simply in the loop, they are fundamental to the decision making process.