Welcome to the Tiggers - Daniel Butler

Jason King

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Would much rather have kept Stengle but he wanted out. My only issue with Dan is he rarely uses his pace to advantage. Still young though and he could be a contributor at this level if he works harder.
 

lukeanddad

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Would much rather have kept Stengle but he wanted out. My only issue with Dan is he rarely uses his pace to advantage. Still young though and he could be a contributor at this level if he works harder.
My major knock on Butler is that due to his low core and upper body strength (relative to Rioli/George/Sydney/Shai) once he's tackled, he's tackled. Sort of like Brando & Bachar in that regard. Unlike them though, he doesn't work hard enough to win the easier football. Dan Jackson developed that strength in mid-career.

As you say, he's young and if get developed that strength, he would be an asset.
 
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The_Celebrant

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My only issue with Dan is he rarely uses his pace to advantage.
Exactly. I would have thought he'd be a major part of our spread from stoppages, but I've rarely seen him way out in open space or 10m in front of an opponent. Speedsters like Phillips and Stephenson from the Pies always seem to be in space or leaving opponents in their wake. And, while a player like Graham is not as fast, he actually contributes to faster ball movement. My recent memories of Dan are of him doing the cute stuff – trying to weave through congestion or toe-poke the ball past opponents. It's like he's playing some other sport.
 
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zippadeee

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Bulter Rioli & George
Are the reason we won the flag.
Bulter will always be s "homecoming' hero for me.
 
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Jason King

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My major knock on Butler is that due to his low core and upper body strength (relative to Rioli/George/Sydney/Shai) once he's tackled, he's tackled. Sort of like Brando & Bachar in that regard. Unlike them though, he doesn't work hard enough to win the easier football. Dan Jackson developed that strength in mid-career.

As you say, he's young and if get developed that strength, he would be an asset.
and that just makes him look all that much slower - when we know he is (or can be) a jet.


Exactly. I would have thought he'd be a major part of our spread from stoppages, but I've rarely seen him way out in open space or 10m in front of an opponent. Speedsters like Phillips and Stephenson from the Pies always seem to be in space or leaving opponents in their wake. And, while a player like Graham is not as fast, he actually contributes to faster ball movement. My recent memories of Dan are of him doing the cute stuff – trying to weave through congestion or toe-poke the ball past opponents. It's like he's playing some other sport.
If only he would take a leaf out of Stack's book and just burn through packs or on the spread.
 

tigerlove

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Bulter Rioli & George
Are the reason we won the flag.
Bulter will always be s "homecoming' hero for me.
Thought Butler was our worst through the finals series of those 3 smalls. Had 25 disposals across 3 games and 11 turnovers. Defensively was pretty good and they worked well when considering the whole forward line working together but individually I'd have Rioli and Castagna homecomings before Butler. Butler made the most of his opportunities at the time but the fact is since that final, he has Higgins, Stack, Baker, probably soon Pickett all competing for his spot and one less small in that forward line with the arrival of Lynch. And I'd argue every one of those is or will be a better player than Butller. Forever grateful for the 22 that delivered us that long-awaited premiership and you can never take that away but we need to look to the future and it's hard to see Butler as a regular in our future imo.
 
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craig

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Butler wont be getting regular games at the RFC again.

He's best to move on and extend his career elsewhere.

His career will end a lot quicker at the RFC.

Use his currency and trade him.

No need to keep him.

George, Riloli, Edwards, Higlet, Baker, Bolton, Stack, Pickett and Rioli Jnr to come he is surplus to requirements.
 
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antman

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Would much rather have kept Stengle but he wanted out. My only issue with Dan is he rarely uses his pace to advantage. Still young though and he could be a contributor at this level if he works harder.
A slow Butler is still faster than a fast Stengle. That was the only knock on Stengle, too slow to be one of our killer forward smalls.

Agree that Butler is still of some value to us, either as depth or a trade.
 
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22nd Man

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I think history will remember guys like Buts and Towner as being 'in the right place at the right time'. From their perspective, 2017 gave them the glory, the amazing experience and a highlights reel to die for. From my perspective, I'll choose to remember those heroic moments they provided, that helped us to a flag.
No Shame in being that player. Virtually every premiership team has a couple. Mitch Morton anyone?
 

MB78

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Happy to trade if we get a pick under 40 for him. But if we don’t I want him kept. We need to use Sam Lloyd as our benchmark of what our depth can do.
 

kiwitiger

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It seemed like Butler at his best was always running into open space,

Maybe the way teams are setting up now has something to do with it , and that space is not as available,

and the other smalls work much better in congestion .
 
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bigwow

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Jul 24, 2003
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80 falg side.
No Shame in being that player. Virtually every premiership team has a couple. Mitch Morton anyone?
There's a piece in the paper today, comparing 4 'greats' who didn't win a flag against Daryl Freame who played 17 games in 5 years, and was in the 1980 flag side, right place, right time.
 

Bernie

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Aug 19, 2008
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80 falg side.
There's a piece in the paper today, comparing 4 'greats' who didn't win a flag against Daryl Freame who played 17 games in 5 years, and was in the 1980 flag side, right place, right time.
Who was mentioning Daryl Freame in a PRE thread yesterday?
 

22nd Man

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80 falg side.
There's a piece in the paper today, comparing 4 'greats' who didn't win a flag against Daryl Freame who played 17 games in 5 years, and was in the 1980 flag side, right place, right time.
2games in 1980 being the Semi and the GF ! Played 2 more next year and it was the end of the line.