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Welcome to Tigerland - Mabior Chol

taztiger4

Shovelheads- Keeping hipsters off Harley's
Jul 13, 2005
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well, Marbs might just make it.

Joined us at the 2016 Rookie Draft (held in Nov 15) so 6th year on the list.

If he doesnt last with us, we should get something decent in return.

Out of Contact @ yesrs end along with 16 others as below (not including rookies)
Astbury
Bolton
Castagna
Chol
Coleman - Jones
Cumberland
Dow
Edwards
Garthwaite
Houli
Martyn
McIntosh
Naish
Nyuon
Ralphsmith
Riewoldt
Rioli
 
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ToraToraTora

Two outta three ain't bad.
Mar 21, 2005
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It's been a long long HODL but that was his best game ever. First Q revelation. He's got a few weeks to strut it.
 
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Brettstigers

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Mar 21, 2005
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Great Chol game in that he showed more of his best than he has previously. Typical Chol game in that it came in a burst and then that was mostly that. His field kicking mistakes will improve with more game time at AFL speed. As always he is not really the full AFL quid till he understands how to keep working himself into each quarter of the game.

Potential wise his first quarter on the weekend had him almost looking like Shai Bolton's really early years. Seems just a bit special when he gets hold of it, but it was always going to take a lot more game time, strength and conditioning to turn the glimpses into more sustained impact.
 
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MD Jazz

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Mabior has a gift from footy god.

The most beautiful moving big I think ive ever seen
Yeh I thought Marlion was a beautiful mover but Mabs has him covered. And he has easy speed. I can't recall a 200cm guy moving like him. Is there a prettier baulk in football?
 
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MD Jazz

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Chol has had enough time to 'make it', his 1st qtr was amazing and he played a good game overall.

The issue is, he is clearly unfit, lazy, or does not have a good footy IQ. Watched the ball when he was down back on numerous occasions and didn't even attempt to have an impact at some contests he could have been involved in - but he chose not to run that extra yard.

I just don't think he has a good footy IQ and when you combine this with his apparent laziness and fitness level, he needs to go elsewhere if it comes down to keeping him or CCJ. He has had enough resources pumping the development into him now.

Glad to play him when we have limited options and I don't think his trade value has been higher. Rucks will be highly sought after this trade period.

Think he goes at years end.
Crazy. No footy IQ? Did you see him tap the ball out of contested situations directly to teammates when the ball was in a contest? His kicking is sublime, he tried to get a little too cute but his left foot is a weapon.

His one glaring issue is clearly fitness, why did he have such a commanding first quarter? He spectated at times because he was gassed, not because of a lack of footy IQ.

Have a look at Max Gawn, he is now an aerobic beast (how lean is he) and look at where he has taken his game. You run more you get to more contests, there is no secret.

I don't think it will come down to him or CCJ but if it did Mabs is the one I would keep.
 
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mrposhman

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Crazy. No footy IQ? Did you see him tap the ball out of contested situations directly to teammates when the ball was in a contest? His kicking is sublime, he tried to get a little too cute but his left foot is a weapon.

His one glaring issue is clearly fitness, why did he have such a commanding first quarter? He spectated at times because he was gassed, not because of a lack of footy IQ.

Have a look at Max Gawn, he is now an aerobic beast (how lean is he) and look at where he has taken his game. You run more you get to more contests, there is no secret.

I don't think it will come down to him or CCJ but if it did Mabs is the one I would keep.

Yeah I like Marbs and doubt he'd be on massive coin. It would be a brave club to offer him north of $450k in my eyes. Less than that and he will stay a Tiger.
 

The_Celebrant

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Aug 18, 2018
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No footy IQ?
I think he has a good, instinctive feel for the immediate contest around him.

When the contest is a few metres further away, he often shows more uncertainty about what to do.

If he lacks any footy IQ, maybe it's in the area of not anticipating how the play is unfolding, so he ends up watching rather than participating.

By participating I don't necessarily mean rushing to the contest itself, but re-positioning himself to be of greater assistance either defensively or offensively.

But he's shown that he's coachable, so there's every chance we'll continue to see him improve across the board.
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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Jun 4, 2006
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Crazy. No footy IQ? Did you see him tap the ball out of contested situations directly to teammates when the ball was in a contest? His kicking is sublime, he tried to get a little too cute but his left foot is a weapon.
Yeah he is a smart footballer. Learned smarts, not natural smarts.
 

spook

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Jun 18, 2007
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Crazy. No footy IQ? Did you see him tap the ball out of contested situations directly to teammates when the ball was in a contest? His kicking is sublime, he tried to get a little too cute but his left foot is a weapon.

His one glaring issue is clearly fitness, why did he have such a commanding first quarter? He spectated at times because he was gassed, not because of a lack of footy IQ.

Have a look at Max Gawn, he is now an aerobic beast (how lean is he) and look at where he has taken his game. You run more you get to more contests, there is no secret.

I don't think it will come down to him or CCJ but if it did Mabs is the one I would keep.
Yep, Mabs is a smart, sublimly skilled footballer of rare athletic fluidity.
 
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leon

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Mabior has a gift from footy god.

The most beautiful moving big I think ive ever seen
Nah, depends if you're old enough to see him play, or just go and look up his highlights reel if not, but I posted a long way back: Mabs is the
best moving big man since the greatest ever indigenous ruckman, the legendary Polly Farmer. Made the game look easy; always appeared to be on cruise control and could do everything gracefully. [Paddy Ryder currently a smooth operator too].

Steven Michael was also a magnificent player but never got to the VFL but was more a forward/ruck I believe. More aggressive type too.
 

ejort

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Yep, Mabs is a smart, sublimly skilled footballer of rare athletic fluidity.
I loved watching him in this game - sublime was the word. Glided in and took big grabs down the line, dished the tap down the throat of our mids on the move (they seem to have a great connection / trust that Mabs will give them first look), and it seems to be a set play where he bolts forward after the tap to get the handball receive and deliver into F50 (he did it last week as well).
 
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Tiger Pops

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Apr 22, 2008
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Showed more than glimpses on Saturday night. A few defense efforts where I though - come on Chol, jump and get a fist on it - bang your body into the pack... but that is Nankervis through and through. Without Nank and Asbury I think his defensive side was so so... despite a number of intercept marks. Ball in hand he looks like a silky left foot midfielder Would love him to make another big statement Sunday night v Eagles. If he plays well on Sunday, I think we win. If the tweets mid game are " gee we miss Nank", the Chol debate to keep/trade/delist will continue for a few months.
 
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MD Jazz

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I think he has a good, instinctive feel for the immediate contest around him.

When the contest is a few metres further away, he often shows more uncertainty about what to do.

If he lacks any footy IQ, maybe it's in the area of not anticipating how the play is unfolding, so he ends up watching rather than participating.

By participating I don't necessarily mean rushing to the contest itself, but re-positioning himself to be of greater assistance either defensively or offensively.

But he's shown that he's coachable, so there's every chance we'll continue to see him improve across the board.
IIRC he took 3 (maybe 2) defensive marks in the opening quarter? He read the play and made perfect position. I simply think he runs out of gas and can't get to where he needs to be.

And hopefully he will learn to have shots rather than pass to Shai! Shai is good but Mabs passed to him against 2 opponents in the pocket when he should have just had a shot.
 
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daniel30

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disagree. i think it is confidence, game smarts and fitness. when any or all of those things are missing it looks like a lack of desire and want, but it is not.
hopefully he is building all 3.

Saturday was clearly his best game since the saints on 2019, and probably his first truely good game since then. Im not sure Andrew Phillips and Nik Cox are the most intimidating ruck combo going around though so I'll resist getting too excited for at least another week. If I see him jumping over NicNat then beating him for ground balls then I might consider jumping onboard the Chol express.
Each to there own that's my opinion he cruises around to much and goes missing and then pops up for one great quarter.

Sometimes we're to hard on players to alot made about Nantanui , but he goes missing in games to a few highlights here and there.
 

Smoking Aces

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Crazy. No footy IQ? Did you see him tap the ball out of contested situations directly to teammates when the ball was in a contest? His kicking is sublime, he tried to get a little too cute but his left foot is a weapon.

His one glaring issue is clearly fitness, why did he have such a commanding first quarter? He spectated at times because he was gassed, not because of a lack of footy IQ.

Have a look at Max Gawn, he is now an aerobic beast (how lean is he) and look at where he has taken his game. You run more you get to more contests, there is no secret.

I don't think it will come down to him or CCJ but if it did Mabs is the one I would keep.
Brilliant posting MD.

For Chol now its all about getting to that next level fitness wise. Being able to push his body to a point where he feels like a good old vomitt.

*smile* Gawn was smoking Winnie Blues when he first started AFL. Look at him now. Aerobic beast.
 
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UKTiger

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Jul 11, 2010
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We should be a little circumspect in praising Mabs as the next messiah of RFC after one good but not spectacular game. After all look what happened to our last one - McBean
 
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AngryAnt

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Nov 25, 2004
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We should be a little circumspect in praising Mabs as the next messiah of RFC after one good but not spectacular game. After all look what happened to our last one - McBean

Mabs went past McBean a long time ago.

Ah McBean. Always makes me laugh how much some otherwise astute types were invested in him.
 
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