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Welsh threads [Merged]
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As discussed on PRE all is not well in the city of churches.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...006301,00.html
ADELAIDE Crows players fear coach Neil Craig's scientific approach to the game is hurting them, and the club's chances of future success.
Insiders have told the Sunday Mail that Craig's inflexibility and rigid methods have led to increasing frustration and fears about their futures.
Citing the departures of Martin Mattner, Ben Hudson and Scott Welsh, and the shock sacking of Jason Torney, sources say Adelaide has been confronted with its most dramatic change of pace since the club's inception.
"They (the players) have to look after their futures and they don't feel safe at Adelaide," one source said.
"I think he (Craig) is really trying to make a stand, more than ever before."
People close to the club believe players are leaving because they fear for their futures and worry that they are not being on the same page as Craig, a qualified sports scientist. Craig is also believed to be seething about indiscretions from some of his players.
The calls came as some former players, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Craig's endless meetings and training sessions had excited at first, but then drained energy and taken all the fun out of football.
Sources say Craig is on the war path and it seems he is also determined to forge his own team – rather than continue to develop the one he inherited from Gary Ayres – and is willing to sacrifice players who have done nothing wrong other than being injured or on the wrong side of 25.
Crows chairman Bill Sanders said there had been widespread surprise following Torney's sacking.
"Jason Torney's situation – given that he had such a fine year – did surprise a lot of people and certainly would have surprised a lot even within our football club," Sanders said.
"But it is still a case of us wanting to develop and if you're projecting out 12 months or two years, Jason understands that."
But he said the club was unaware of players being fearful of their future.
"I've not heard of that at all," Sanders said.
"We've been in reasonably close contact with a lot of our players and that's not been expressed."
Sanders' comments suggest the feeling of unease at West Lakes – or as one source said, "a culture of fear" – is being kept from officials.
Talk of his sports science background has grown quiet as another picture emerges – that a new, more ruthless Neil Craig has risked team harmony and potentially instilled a culture of fear within the Crows.
Much of the current climate can be linked to Torney's shock sacking after the backman enjoyed a magnificent season only to be cut adrift when Craig decided it was time to embark on a rebuild.
This is a time of marked change. Both Kane Johnson and Tyson Stenglein wanted to leave to be closer to friends and family in their home states, Victoria and Western Australia respectively.
This year is the first time South Australian boys such as Welsh and Mattner have told the hierarchy they want out.
Those who have been closely connected to the club also worry he has made players – good players – look at options elsewhere because they feel he is prepared to cut players from the list if they are not considered likely to be part of the premiership.
That particularly applies to players close to, or into, their 30s. Players who, like Torney, feel that they are easily replaced even if they have had career-best seasons.
One prominent person within the football industry said Torney's sacking had sent shock waves through the group.
Another said the Crows also seemed unconcerned about "breaking even" in the short term when it came to arrivals and departures.
"For the first time, we're losing players without gaining any leverage," the source said.
"He (Craig) clearly wants to make his mark and has decided that now is the time."
But Sanders said the club had been comfortable with losing the three players who wanted out.
"We had no problems or issues with those players going because it is a part of the process of development of a list," Sanders said.
"Essentially, our footy department is expected to replace them and further promote and develop our list.
"We will never lose a player that we want that is on our list. If we want to keep a player, we will.
"If a player wanted to leave and we wanted to keep him, we would."
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...006301,00.html
ADELAIDE Crows players fear coach Neil Craig's scientific approach to the game is hurting them, and the club's chances of future success.
Insiders have told the Sunday Mail that Craig's inflexibility and rigid methods have led to increasing frustration and fears about their futures.
Citing the departures of Martin Mattner, Ben Hudson and Scott Welsh, and the shock sacking of Jason Torney, sources say Adelaide has been confronted with its most dramatic change of pace since the club's inception.
"They (the players) have to look after their futures and they don't feel safe at Adelaide," one source said.
"I think he (Craig) is really trying to make a stand, more than ever before."
People close to the club believe players are leaving because they fear for their futures and worry that they are not being on the same page as Craig, a qualified sports scientist. Craig is also believed to be seething about indiscretions from some of his players.
The calls came as some former players, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Craig's endless meetings and training sessions had excited at first, but then drained energy and taken all the fun out of football.
Sources say Craig is on the war path and it seems he is also determined to forge his own team – rather than continue to develop the one he inherited from Gary Ayres – and is willing to sacrifice players who have done nothing wrong other than being injured or on the wrong side of 25.
Crows chairman Bill Sanders said there had been widespread surprise following Torney's sacking.
"Jason Torney's situation – given that he had such a fine year – did surprise a lot of people and certainly would have surprised a lot even within our football club," Sanders said.
"But it is still a case of us wanting to develop and if you're projecting out 12 months or two years, Jason understands that."
But he said the club was unaware of players being fearful of their future.
"I've not heard of that at all," Sanders said.
"We've been in reasonably close contact with a lot of our players and that's not been expressed."
Sanders' comments suggest the feeling of unease at West Lakes – or as one source said, "a culture of fear" – is being kept from officials.
Talk of his sports science background has grown quiet as another picture emerges – that a new, more ruthless Neil Craig has risked team harmony and potentially instilled a culture of fear within the Crows.
Much of the current climate can be linked to Torney's shock sacking after the backman enjoyed a magnificent season only to be cut adrift when Craig decided it was time to embark on a rebuild.
This is a time of marked change. Both Kane Johnson and Tyson Stenglein wanted to leave to be closer to friends and family in their home states, Victoria and Western Australia respectively.
This year is the first time South Australian boys such as Welsh and Mattner have told the hierarchy they want out.
Those who have been closely connected to the club also worry he has made players – good players – look at options elsewhere because they feel he is prepared to cut players from the list if they are not considered likely to be part of the premiership.
That particularly applies to players close to, or into, their 30s. Players who, like Torney, feel that they are easily replaced even if they have had career-best seasons.
One prominent person within the football industry said Torney's sacking had sent shock waves through the group.
Another said the Crows also seemed unconcerned about "breaking even" in the short term when it came to arrivals and departures.
"For the first time, we're losing players without gaining any leverage," the source said.
"He (Craig) clearly wants to make his mark and has decided that now is the time."
But Sanders said the club had been comfortable with losing the three players who wanted out.
"We had no problems or issues with those players going because it is a part of the process of development of a list," Sanders said.
"Essentially, our footy department is expected to replace them and further promote and develop our list.
"We will never lose a player that we want that is on our list. If we want to keep a player, we will.
"If a player wanted to leave and we wanted to keep him, we would."
Re: welsh not happy with crows offer
And the last thing we need is Schulz not starting a game. Just think of the 1 goal and 2 behinds he kicks every week, and those precious 7 or 8 possessions! We should base the team around Schulz, so no Welsh! :rofl
Streak said:
And the last thing we need is Schulz not starting a game. Just think of the 1 goal and 2 behinds he kicks every week, and those precious 7 or 8 possessions! We should base the team around Schulz, so no Welsh! :rofl
Disco08 said:
No no. Nothing wrong with Riewoldt and Hughes. But Schulz is just a parasite - he only occasionally gives something back. If he hadn't taken a few of those speccies back in 05/06 or whenever they were I reckon he'd be gone by now. Is he in fact a con artist?
Twas not rolling on the floor at the post in general, just at the thought of Schulz getting another game. Welsh wouldn't be a positive move for the Tiges but at the very least he's a proven forward. Schulz should be picked up by a top 8 club where the team is full of A-grade players and he can be the B/C player who can do his bit up in the forward line for them. He contributes nothing to a Richmond team still looking to develop its A players.
Lol and thankyou.
Lol and thankyou.
Has it been confirmed that is Rutten signed?
Whilst incredibly unlikely that would be unbelievable if we picked him up.
Whilst incredibly unlikely that would be unbelievable if we picked him up.
Tigers of Old said:
When I read that article the only thought that came into my head was
Rutten?
Broadsword95 said:Twas not rolling on the floor at the post in general, just at the thought of Schulz getting another game. Welsh wouldn't be a positive move for the Tiges but at the very least he's a proven forward. Schulz should be picked up by a top 8 club where the team is full of A-grade players and he can be the B/C player who can do his bit up in the forward line for them. He contributes nothing to a Richmond team still looking to develop its A players.
Lol and thankyou.
For what it is worth, no offence taken in the slightest.
Actually, I can dig the :rofl. I might have/must have been pissed when I posted that about Schulz. I had to go back and work out what the hell I meant.