What are the rules regarding compulsary list changes?

[Rosy]

I heard Tezza on 774 news this morning saying we'll make very few list changes this year and there won't be many delistings. We're bound by the rules but there's no need to make the amount of changes we've made in previous years. He commented along the lines of there comes a time when you have to stop making changes and let the list grow and develop together.

Can anyone tell us what the rules are in regard to compulsary list changes please.

 

[TOT70]

I heard Tezza on 774 news this morning saying we'll make very few list changes this year and there won't be many delistings. We're bound by the rules but there's no need to make the amount of changes we've made in previous years. He commented along the lines of there comes a time when you have to stop making changes and let the list grow and develop together.

Can anyone tell us what the rules are in regard to compulsary list changes please.

You MUST exercise a minimum of three picks in the ND.
You can't be involved in more than five trades.
The number of veterans + the number of rookies = six. You can't have more than 2 vets.

If you take an Irish player or a NSW player under the scholarship scheme as a rookie, then you get an extra rookie place for each. Some clubs have been able to get an extra player on their list this year as a result of this. I would imagine that there will be a flurry of this once Ricky Nixon brings over the first of his Irish slaver boats. South Africa, anyone?

I'm sure there are other little rules that even a numbers head like me can't remember.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

You MUST exercise a minimum of three picks in the ND.
You can't be involved in more than five trades.
The number of veterans + the number of rookies = six. You can't have more than 2 vets.

If you take an Irish player or a NSW player under the scholarship scheme as a rookie, then you get an extra rookie place for each.
I'm sure there are other little rules that even a numbers head like me can't remember.

Another important note, in terms of timing and delistings, is you are allowed a maximum of 35 players on your list going into the National Draft.

 

[ZeroGame]

The number of veterans + the number of rookies = six. You can't have more than 2 vets.

You can have more than 2 veterans, but you can only have 2 veterans outside the primary list

 

[TOT70]

You can have more than 2 veterans, but you can only have 2 veterans outside the primary list

Yeah. What I mean by veterans is players who have qualified (age and years of service) and the club has chosen to list them outside the primary list of 38. There are some who have qualified but the club doesn't list them officially as veterans. This might happen because they already have two others or because they are trying to keep their player payments down and want to keep the additional salary inside the salary cap.

The rule is still vets + rookies = 6 unless you have listed Scholarship holders or Irishmen.

Clear as mud, like all good rules.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

Just thinking...

Many have viewed the fact we can have 4 rookies next year (with Richo and Bowden on veteran list)

If you can have a extra rookie for having a NSW scholarship player on the list does this mean we can have 5 (or 7 if no veterans) in total next year?

Based on the fact we have 1 NSW Scholarship player

 

[TOT70]

Just thinking...

Many have viewed the fact we can have 4 rookies next year (with Richo and Bowden on veteran list)

If you can have a extra rookie for having a NSW scholarship player on the list does this mean we can have 5 (or 7 if no veterans) in total next year?

Based on the fact we have 1 NSW Scholarship player

You have to elevate the scholarship player and then you can have an extra rookie. The other way to do it this is to find Irishmen. I'm not sure but I don't think there is an upper limit on this process. Eventually, someone might figure out that they can keep increasing the size of their list by making lots of these speculative choices. I suspect Collingwood already have made this connection, they seem very active in the NSW scholarship and Irish markets.

A sneaky footy club would be spending a lot of money in NSW. If you can afford to keep offering scholarships to everyone in sight you may eventually find a couple of players. Either that, or you will spend buckets of money tilting at windmills, after all, there is no shortage of people looking for opportunities to separate a fool from his money.

 

[Leysy Days]

The problem we've also got with that is we currently haven't got the resources i.e development coaches - to spend the time needed with the surplus of players.

Hopefully that changes this off-season.

 

[ZeroGame]

Yeah. What I mean by veterans is players who have qualified (age and years of service) and the club has chosen to list them outside the primary list of 38. There are some who have qualified but the club doesn't list them officially as veterans. This might happen because they already have two others or because they are trying to keep their player payments down and want to keep the additional salary inside the salary cap.

You can still have more than 2 listed veterans though which affect the % of their salary that is counted to the Total Player Payments
A club can list 3-4 veterans, but if they do then each veterans salary has 66% or 75% respectively counted towards the TPP rather than the 50% if it's only 2 veterans.

 

[TOT70]

You can still have more than 2 listed veterans though which affect the % of their salary that is counted to the Total Player Payments
A club can list 3-4 veterans, but if they do then each veterans salary has 66% or 75% respectively counted towards the TPP rather than the 50% if it's only 2 veterans.

Well there you go, just when I thought I knew everything.

The AFL player rules are starting to rival Australian Tax Law.

 

[checkside]

Isnt every team allowed two extra rookies this year?

 

[ZeroGame]

Well there you go, just when I thought I knew everything.

The AFL player rules are starting to rival Australian Tax Law.

I don't think any club has ever used this rule though as it wouldn't make much difference. Most vets who've been at the club would be on a fairly similar salary and it makes more sense to cut 50% off the two highest salaries than include the Top 4 and discount it by 25%

Isnt every team allowed two extra rookies this year?

I think that's being considered for next year given sides will be picking from later in the draft. Changing the required picks taken to two and allowing 2 extra rookies.

 

[TOT70]

I don't think any club has ever used this rule though as it wouldn't make much difference. Most vets who've been at the club would be on a fairly similar salary and it makes more sense to cut 50% off the two highest salaries than include the Top 4 and discount it by 25%
I think that's being considered for next year given sides will be picking from later in the draft. Changing the required picks taken to two and allowing 2 extra rookies.

I suppose a club in this position might get the choice as to which suits them best in their circumstances at any given time. A team like Geelong might end up with a truckload of vets in three years time and it might suit them to go a different way, esp if their oldest vets are earning less than the younger ones. Harley, for example, might be the oldest vet but Scarlett, Corey and Ling might be on much bigger dollars, giving them a good reason to split four ways instead of two.

The flexibiltiy might just free up a few dollars inside the cap to help keep a young gun.

Damn!

 

[ROLLS ROYCE]

so if we are to make minimal changes does the long held certainty that Tivva will be gone still ring rue or will he still be in black and yellow next year........surely not