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What are you looking forward to in 2023

Coburgtiger

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Gibcus playing forward.

Too talented not to be tried there for an extended period. Reckon it wouldn’t take him long to have a breakout game either. At worst, it doesn’t work and we shift him back into defense. At best… well, we’ve solved our key forward issue for the next decade.
At worst, you waste years of his development, destroy his confidence, try to send him back, but he's gone too far backwards and he loses interest in the game and we deprive ourselves of a 5 time all Australian triple premiership backman.

Too talented? He still hadn't proved himself as an AFL backman yet, not sure he's too talented for the position.

Balta is further back now than he was two years ago after years of being postcode nowhere.

Pick a position for a young bloke. Play them there for 5 years. Reassess.

That's how you get Rance and Hawkins. Neither would have made it without the consistency of position.
 
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Brodders17

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At worst, you waste years of his development, destroy his confidence, try to send him back, but he's gone too far backwards and he loses interest in the game and we deprive ourselves of a 5 time all Australian triple premiership backman.

Too talented? He still hadn't proved himself as an AFL backman yet, not sure he's too talented for the position.

Balta is further back now than he was two years ago after years of being postcode nowhere.

Pick a position for a young bloke. Play them there for 5 years. Reassess.

That's how you get Rance and Hawkins. Neither would have made it without the consistency of position.
Agree, except Alex Rance played forward in 2010. In 2011 he started his ascent to the greatest full back of all time, and in 2012 he really cemented that ascent.

but yes, we should plan to play Gibcus where we think he will achieve greatness, not where we hope he will.
and Balta should play back for the next couple of years at least.
 
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TigerFurious

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Agree, except Alex Rance played forward in 2010. In 2011 he started his ascent to the greatest full back of all time, and in 2012 he really cemented that ascent.

but yes, we should plan to play Gibcus where we think he will achieve greatness, not where we hope he will.
and Balta should play back for the next couple of years at least.
At worst, you waste years of his development, destroy his confidence, try to send him back, but he's gone too far backwards and he loses interest in the game and we deprive ourselves of a 5 time all Australian triple premiership backman.

Too talented? He still hadn't proved himself as an AFL backman yet, not sure he's too talented for the position.

Balta is further back now than he was two years ago after years of being postcode nowhere.

Pick a position for a young bloke. Play them there for 5 years. Reassess.

That's how you get Rance and Hawkins. Neither would have made it without the consistency of position.
Good key forwards are, have and will always be more valuable than good key defenders. Why? Because they are much harder to find.

Gibcus is athletic, has good size, can take a pack mark and reads the play well. These are all attributes of a good key forward and are reason enough to try him in the position longer than a quarter. It won’t “ruin” his development, in fact it may just be the making of it.

Have a look at Aaron Naughton who had a very similar profile to Gibcus at the same age. He was recruited as defender, played his first year in defense before being tried as a forward in his second season and has never looked back. He’s now a 50 goal forward at the ripe old age of 22.
 

Jason King

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Seeing Dusty boot 50 goals.
Shai being AA starting mid and captain.
Having as few as possible injuries to our core talent.
Seeing Sonsie get to the next level.
& of course Hopper and Taranto carving it up.
 

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Good key forwards are, have and will always be more valuable than good key defenders. Why? Because they are much harder to find.

Gibcus is athletic, has good size, can take a pack mark and reads the play well. These are all attributes of a good key forward and are reason enough to try him in the position longer than a quarter. It won’t “ruin” his development, in fact it may just be the making of it.

Have a look at Aaron Naughton who had a very similar profile to Gibcus at the same age. He was recruited as defender, played his first year in defense before being tried as a forward in his second season and has never looked back. He’s now a 50 goal forward at the ripe old age of 22.
Good key forwards are natural forwards that start there careers there as juniors. How many gun key forwards didn';t play there until they reached their 2nd year at AFL level?

Naughton is one out of how many? And still hasn't proven himself to be a 70 plus gun goal kicker. He's just shown he can take a contested mark, not much more. The best key forwards are good in the air and on the ground. Naughton's ground/assist game needs a lot of work. Part of that would be because he didn't spend years honing his forward craft as a junior.

Athleticism is only one part. Gibcus/Balta should be our KD base for the next 5-7 years. Build around them.
 
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Coburgtiger

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Good key forwards are, have and will always be more valuable than good key defenders. Why? Because they are much harder to find.

Gibcus is athletic, has good size, can take a pack mark and reads the play well. These are all attributes of a good key forward and are reason enough to try him in the position longer than a quarter. It won’t “ruin” his development, in fact it may just be the making of it.

Have a look at Aaron Naughton who had a very similar profile to Gibcus at the same age. He was recruited as defender, played his first year in defense before being tried as a forward in his second season and has never looked back. He’s now a 50 goal forward at the ripe old age of 22.
Athletic traits only give access to being a great footballer, they don't deliver one.

He is athletic. He does have good size. At AFL level he has demonstrated that:

- He can run all day, even further than a mid.
- He can leap at the ball and float in the air.
- He can hoof the ball.

He has not shown that he is a great reader (although he probably is but I'd like to see some intercept marks). He has not been a great mark. Gets his hands to it but has been unsure and fumbly. He has not shown that he's a great kick. A long kick, but a scrappy and panicky one. In the game and a half he played forward, he looked completely lost. He has no forward craft, no forward instincts. None of that is really a negative for a first year key back. He has great potential and elite A grade attributes. But he is nowhere near having found his feet at the level.

IF we want to try the forward experiment, then he needs to play there all preseason, and do extras with Jack R and the forward coaches. He'll need to live, breathe and eat forward running patterns. And we will need to commit to it. That means when Grimes/Vlos/Tarrant inevitably go down this year, he will need to stay forward. No swing manning. And we need to do that for at least a couple of seasons.

It's a massive, massive cost, and a massive massive risk. It might yield a gun forward. I'm dubious. But it's much more likely he would be a superstar forward than half the blokes we've played forward over our premiership era.

I think it's even more likely he'll be a gun back. Given that a back is what he is, and has been.

It's also a question of what we need more. Lynch, Dusty, Jack, Bolton, MRJ, Cumberland are a decent mix of older and younger forwards. I'm bullish on Bauer being an approximate Jack replacement in the future. Ben Miller? Who knows. Soldo and Nank will be forward at some point, for better or worse.

Grimes and Tarrant are on their last hamstrings, and Astbury, Houli, Rance are all gone. Vlossy is a bit of a crock. We need Balta and Gibcus to be our tall pillars going forward.
 
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Sintiger

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There are so many things to look forward to in 2023 but one that I am particularly interested in is the development of the young players.
Our team was improved by the injection of MRJ, Cumberland and Sonsie in the back half of the season and I really want to see if Ryan, Brown, Banks and Clarke in particular can add to that.
Looks like the club is looking forward to Banks, Brown and Clarke developing as well
Great signings
 
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jb03

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What happened to posters saying the club was potting Brown and that he needed to harden up. Club seems to have great faith.
 
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What happened to posters saying the club was potting Brown and that he needed to harden up. Club seems to have great faith.
You can get a baking but still be held in decent regard. In fact, apart from Dusty who doesn’t have any, what player hasn’t had a baking for their imperfections at some time or another in their career ?
 

Dont Argue

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You can get a baking but still be held in decent regard. In fact, apart from Dusty who doesn’t have any, what player hasn’t had a baking for their imperfections at some time or another in their career ?
Apparently Baker got a serious baking
 

Redford

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Looks like we’re getting the opening game again in 2023. Just as we should have in 2022.

Fancy those two GF replay duds only drawing 58,000 this year. Pathetic.
 
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seven

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Looks like we’re getting the opening game again in 2023. Just as we should have in 2022.

Fancy those two GF replay duds only drawing 58,000 this year. Pathetic.
Hmmm

Geelog vs swans would draw 28K
 

craig

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Looks like we’re getting the opening game again in 2023. Just as we should have in 2022.

Fancy those two GF replay duds only drawing 58,000 this year. Pathetic.
Even the wankers at AFL HQ realise its gotta be Tigers and Blues especially now the Carltonians are up and about.
 
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Dont Argue

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Looks like we’re getting the opening game again in 2023. Just as we should have in 2022.

Fancy those two GF replay duds only drawing 58,000 this year. Pathetic.
They only gave it to us again for 2023 because we lost this years season opener.
Would have given the AFL a lot of satisfaction and they’re hoping for it to happen again.
 
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