What do the tiges do to take the next step in 2007

[tigerjoe12]

Next year will be Wallaces 3rd and he will be expecting at the least to make the finals. So what does he need to do to improve the team. He has shown that he is a capable coach. So for me the problem remains the tigers list. When all up they can perform, but injuries will and always do happen.

These are the key areas I think he will look at:

Key defenders- we all know Gas and Kellaway won't go on forever and are a chance of retiring at seasons end(although I'd be surprised if they did). Will Thursfield looks the goods but is still a kid and Ray Hall is constantly exposed against bigger bodied players. I think Wallace will look to trade for at least one ready made key defender, potentially a Brad Miller or a Graeme Polak for a cheaper trade. I also beleive he wouldn't shy away from a second out of sorts or older defender to fill in the gap for just a year or two, as he has shown in the past he is not afraid to take a gamble if the price is right. Like a Hadlee, Saddington or even a Hay.

What could the tiges trade for a KPD:

Trent Knobel- whilst Knobes is one of the best tap ruckmen in the game he often fails to win the ball around the ground and Simmonds has proved to be Wallaces first choice. This may seem as a surprising suggestion with the departure of Staf but Pattison is improving and should be capable next year of holding up the 2nd or even 3rd ruck position...word has it is that the tiges are keen on young ruckman Cameron Wood from the lions. Knobel would represent good trade value.

Kayne Pettifer-has had a great season and would be a shame to see him go but would again represent good bargaining power. With Browny back and youngsters like Hughes, Meyer and Oakley-Nicholls he wouldn't be the most missed player. Would think it unlikely however that Wallace would trade Pets.

A combination of players including:
-Hall
-Tivendale
-Jackson

Draft picks- unlikely to trade away first pick but would prob look at 2nd round pick. Remember that is what we got in exchange for Ben Holland.

Wallace will also look at trying to draft a bigger bodied youngster who is capable of playing in the backline. There aren't many young large defenders at the moment at Tigerland besides Thursfield. Hopefully Jackson can get back on track. Whilst he still has plenty of time McGuane showed against the swans he is not yet up to AFL standard.

Wallace will then likely look at:

Ruck division- As I said earlier Simmonds clearly has ruck favouritism over Knobes these days and with Knobes' injury problems I believe the Tiges will look to trade him. Likely for a key-defender or draft pick. I believe Wallace will also look to trade for another ruckmen of lesser value, like Cameron Wood or even Michael Gardiner. It has been shown that Gardiner is out of favour and could potentially be picked up for a bargain basement price, I don't think the tiges would be interested otherwise as they would probably be better off keeping Knobes.

Midfield-Wallace has a decent young midfield at his disposal. With Wayne Campbell retired they did at times struggle. But with one of the youngest midfields in the league including players like Deledio,Tambling, Meyer and Foley there is definate scope to improve. I think Wallace will hope that Cogs can return well from injury and will hope to leave the midfield untouched.

Forward line-Besides from looking to draft another project-key position forward line player as another fall-back for Richo's eventual departure. I think Wallace would be reasonably happy with his forward set up that includes Richo, Brown, Pettifer, Krakouer and an improving Jay Schulz. Unless there is a potential bargain offered or a star player wants to move to the Tiges I think Wallace will leave the forward line as it is.
Some goalkicking power will be lost through the retirement of Staf however this void can be filled through the trading for another ruckmen or Pattison or Knobes being put there in his place.

Apart from the potential trades I have already talked about, I believe the players that may be put up for trade will be:
-Knobel
-Tivendale
-Hall
-Jackson
-Hartigan
-Roach

Potential de-listings:
-Moore
-Humm
-Limbach
-Rodan

Gaspar and Kellaway are also potential retirees. Gas could, but I'd be surprised if he did. Kellaway will very likely stay.

Unless some star players are put up for trade I think they will be the only changes to the Tigers list. Wallace will want to back in his young players to improve and take the next step. Hopefully this could give the tiges a chance of some long awaited glory.

This is just what I think. What do the other Richmond supporters out there think?

 

[akhoury]

I think our main priority should be KPB and it seems that Richmond and Freo have already struck a deal to get Polak to Punt Road. I agree with alot of what you say except I believe that Knoble is too needed at Punt Road to be traded. If Simmonds falls over we have noone capapble to take over position of no.1 ruckmen. Patto wont be ready for another 2+ years.

 

[tigerfan1961]

Next year will be Wallaces 3rd and he will be expecting at the least to make the finals. So what does he need to do to improve the team. He has shown that he is a capable coach. So for me the problem remains the tigers list. When all up they can perform, but injuries will and always do happen.

These are the key areas I think he will look at:

Key defenders- we all know Gas and Kellaway won't go on forever and are a chance of retiring at seasons end(although I'd be surprised if they did). Will Thursfield looks the goods but is still a kid and Ray Hall is constantly exposed against bigger bodied players. I think Wallace will look to trade for at least one ready made key defender, potentially a Brad Miller or a Graeme Polak for a cheaper trade. I also beleive he wouldn't shy away from a second out of sorts or older defender to fill in the gap for just a year or two, as he has shown in the past he is not afraid to take a gamble if the price is right. Like a Hadlee, Saddington or even a Hay.

What could the tiges trade for a KPD:

Trent Knobel- whilst Knobes is one of the best tap ruckmen in the game he often fails to win the ball around the ground and Simmonds has proved to be Wallaces first choice. This may seem as a surprising suggestion with the departure of Staf but Pattison is improving and should be capable next year of holding up the 2nd or even 3rd ruck position...word has it is that the tiges are keen on young ruckman Cameron Wood from the lions. Knobel would represent good trade value.

Kayne Pettifer-has had a great season and would be a shame to see him go but would again represent good bargaining power. With Browny back and youngsters like Hughes, Meyer and Oakley-Nicholls he wouldn't be the most missed player. Would think it unlikely however that Wallace would trade Pets.

A combination of players including:
-Hall
-Tivendale
-Jackson

Draft picks- unlikely to trade away first pick but would prob look at 2nd round pick. Remember that is what we got in exchange for Ben Holland.

Wallace will also look at trying to draft a bigger bodied youngster who is capable of playing in the backline. There aren't many young large defenders at the moment at Tigerland besides Thursfield. Hopefully Jackson can get back on track. Whilst he still has plenty of time McGuane showed against the swans he is not yet up to AFL standard.

Wallace will then likely look at:

Ruck division- As I said earlier Simmonds clearly has ruck favouritism over Knobes these days and with Knobes' injury problems I believe the Tiges will look to trade him. Likely for a key-defender or draft pick. I believe Wallace will also look to trade for another ruckmen of lesser value, like Cameron Wood or even Michael Gardiner. It has been shown that Gardiner is out of favour and could potentially be picked up for a bargain basement price, I don't think the tiges would be interested otherwise as they would probably be better off keeping Knobes.

Midfield-Wallace has a decent young midfield at his disposal. With Wayne Campbell retired they did at times struggle. But with one of the youngest midfields in the league including players like Deledio,Tambling, Meyer and Foley there is definate scope to improve. I think Wallace will hope that Cogs can return well from injury and will hope to leave the midfield untouched.

Forward line-Besides from looking to draft another project-key position forward line player as another fall-back for Richo's eventual departure. I think Wallace would be reasonably happy with his forward set up that includes Richo, Brown, Pettifer, Krakouer and an improving Jay Schulz. Unless there is a potential bargain offered or a star player wants to move to the Tiges I think Wallace will leave the forward line as it is.
Some goalkicking power will be lost through the retirement of Staf however this void can be filled through the trading for another ruckmen or Pattison or Knobes being put there in his place.

Apart from the potential trades I have already talked about, I believe the players that may be put up for trade will be:
-Knobel
-Tivendale
-Hall
-Jackson
-Hartigan
-Roach

Potential de-listings:
-Moore
-Humm
-Limbach
-Rodan

Gaspar and Kellaway are also potential retirees. Gas could, but I'd be surprised if he did. Kellaway will very likely stay.

Unless some star players are put up for trade I think they will be the only changes to the Tigers list. Wallace will want to back in his young players to improve and take the next step. Hopefully this could give the tiges a chance of some long awaited glory.

This is just what I think. What do the other Richmond supporters out there think?

While I acknowledge the lack of key defenders is becoming a worry, it is midfielders that win you the premiership. In the games in which we have been given a hiding, it is the midfield that has been the cause! RFC still needs midfielders capable of consistently winning the footy from the centre.

I would draft midfielders first, and use later picks to draft the taller types. Look at the last 3-4 premiers, all had real good and big bodied midfields. Sydney and Port, their respective defences were nothing special ( although Brisbanes was pretty solid, but Brisbane were a once in a lifetime side), nor were their forward lines all that special (again brisbane is the exception). Even West Coast had battlers forward and back (still do!), but they are top of the ladder because of their midfield.

 

[davidrodan]

I think our main priority should be KPB and it seems that Richmond and Freo have already struck a deal to get Polak to Punt Road. I agree with alot of what you say except I believe that Knoble is too needed at Punt Road to be traded. If Simmonds falls over we have noone capapble to take over position of no.1 ruckmen. Patto wont be ready for another 2+ years.

Yeah I think your right, if Simmo does go down we would be very exposed in that area
Maybe Wood (if he comes here) and Patto could work in tandem but i think they would prolly get smashed
Should Keep Knoble or find another good backup ruck

But in the draft we should go for best available wheather it be KPP or Mid

 

[tigerjoe12]

Yeah there's no doubt Patto still needs to develop a fair bit. Is a shame that Staf retired. I think he still had another good year in him as a back up ruckmen/goalsquare player.
Would only trade Knobes if they were going to draft a ruckmen with experience, like Wood or Gardiner. I just think they may get rid of Knobes because of his injuries and the fact that Greg Miller said Richmond wanted Wood. Also because of the current demand/supply of good ruckmen would mean the tiges could get good return for him.

If we didn't trade Knobes what else could we give up of quality to get something decent in return???

No doubt that KPB is what is needed most. Midfielders do win premierships but I think with another year under their belt, a midfield rotation including Coughlan, Tuck, Johnson, Deledio, Tambling, Brown etc. could do some damage. There's no doubt though that some draft picks will have to be used on midfielders but I don't think the tiges have enough at their disposal at the moment to trade for midfielders, but will likely need to give some quality up for a defender.

 

[akhoury]

I am hoping that we draft a midfielder with our first pick seeing as all the good KPP will be gone by our pick. Then with our 2nd rounder I would like to see a good tall like N.Brown or E.Mckenzie drafted. Also im hoping that we nab G.Polak from Freo without using our 2nd round pick.

 

[tigerjoe12]

apparently Melbourne and the Bulldogs are both keen on Polak. Particularly the Bulldogs with them being considered frontrunners.
Polak was a top draft pick, whilst it is common knowledge that it takes the bigger players longer to develop he has had a lot of time. it also must be noted that Polak is on the outer for disciplinary reasons. what must be going on to have him on the outer with a laissez faire coach such as connelly.
i wouldn't want to pay anymore than a 2nd round draft pick but his demand may push that price up. maybe we'd be better off offering a player...gaspar for polak?
maybe hall? they wouldn't really want him though, they've already got Michael Johnson.

all that being said i think wallace and miller have the right peoples skills to get Polak going in the right direction.

 

[tigers80]

apparently Melbourne and the Bulldogs are both keen on Polak. Particularly the Bulldogs with them being considered frontrunners.
Polak was a top draft pick, whilst it is common knowledge that it takes the bigger players longer to develop he has had a lot of time. it also must be noted that Polak is on the outer for disciplinary reasons. what must be going on to have him on the outer with a laissez faire coach such as connelly.
i wouldn't want to pay anymore than a 2nd round draft pick but his demand may push that price up. maybe we'd be better off offering a player...gaspar for polak?
maybe hall? they wouldn't really want him though, they've already got Michael Johnson.

all that being said i think wallace and miller have the right peoples skills to get Polak going in the right direction.

Bulldogs will have a player to offer? ex WA bloke wanting to go home.

 

[craig]

Who would that be Farren Ray, i wouldnt think he would be enough to get Polak. Hasnt kicked on as was expected so far.

 

[tigerjoe12]

i've heard from many unreliable sources that miller has already struck a deal to have polak move to richmond. at what cost i'm not sure.

the only reliable source that i've heard anything was an article in the australian that stated the bulldogs were going to try and get polak as soon as the finals finished. for what i'm not sure. and that they were the favourites to nab him

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...0-2722,00.html

this article is a bit old and i've heard many different stories since then

personally i think freo would jump at ray. he's still v-young and undeveloped=a lot of potential for improvement.
that being said they do have a number of small midfielders already cook, bell, schammer etc. they would likely on-trade him

 

[craig]

Simple as this.. If the tiggies wanna have a crack at the Ackers or Polaks ect then they are gonna have to cut someone who is rated at this club simple.

Ferals prepare yourselves, but seriously i cant think of an obvious choice for a player trade.

Fre woulda no doubt wanted Cogs if fit but his injury binds him to the tigers as does Newmos.

Tucky would be wanted by others but we re signed him therefore it would not be him.

Richo, Brownie, Johnson and Joel Bowden would not be offered simple as that, and our kids ie Bling, Lids, White, Meyer, Jon, Polo, Hughes, Patto, ect are safely signed up.

That leaves the likes of Hall - who will stay if Gas and Chubba retire and Pettifer who by far along with Schulz woulda had the greatest trade value prior to being resigned.


Thus Tivendale, Rodan, Hartigan, Jackson, Hyde, Roach, Humm, Moore, Limbach and McGuane dont seem to be very high trade tools and they are the remainder of the un signed and unsafe.


Cant see what we got to give apart from picks and TW stated he would not trade his 1st and 2nd picks.

 

[tigers80]

i've heard from many unreliable sources that miller has already struck a deal to have polak move to richmond. at what cost i'm not sure.

the only reliable source that i've heard anything was an article in the australian that stated the bulldogs were going to try and get polak as soon as the finals finished. for what i'm not sure. and that they were the favourites to nab him

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...0-2722,00.html

this article is a bit old and i've heard many different stories since then

personally i think freo would jump at ray. he's still v-young and undeveloped=a lot of potential for improvement.
that being said they do have a number of small midfielders already cook, bell, schammer etc. they would likely on-trade him

what if they are going to offload someone? the dockers that is?

 

[Ian4]

Ruck division- As I said earlier Simmonds clearly has ruck favouritism over Knobes these days and with Knobes' injury problems I believe the Tiges will look to trade him. Likely for a key-defender or draft pick. I believe Wallace will also look to trade for another ruckmen of lesser value, like Cameron Wood or even Michael Gardiner.

tw just said on WLF we don't need a ruckman

I think our main priority should be KPB and it seems that Richmond and Freo have already struck a deal to get Polak to Punt Road.

firstly our priority should be midfielders, and secondly, where did you get this story about polak?

 

[tigerjoe12]

if tw said that sounds like he wants to stick with the simmo-knobes-patto ruck trio in 2007. he will unlikely trade knobes if they're not going to get another ruckmen. and with tw already saying he doesn't want to trade either the 1st or 2nd draft pick(and i don't blame him this year) what will we give up for polak?

of course tw could be just saying that.

i'm sure if the tiges don't secure polak they will go after another ready-made KPB. so what is disposable and of value?

 

[tigerjoe12]

i have been told that knobes has recently re-signed until the end of next year making him ineligible for a trade. does anyone know if this is true. if so. when did this happen?