What do we attend to first...backline or midfield?

[Tigermad2005]

Midfield is the way to go.
Most back lines are made up of midfield players.
Draft the best ball carries we can then with late picks or rockie picks kpp players.

 

[SfB_AkA._DeLiCiOuS]

Draft the best available player with each pick....whether that be midfielders or defenders whatever.

But we use the rookie draft wisely.

 

[the claw]

when we are having this discussion in 2 yrs time i wonder what the excuses will be from those pettrified lovers out there. he is without doubt the most over rated player in our club who has many deficiencies and has no heart. we will never be competitive with pettifer types in our team.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Petiffer is one of the Tigers laziest players on our list.

This is where you would take an O'Keefe ahead of him every time. Ryan just works that much harder to do the team things when he doesn't have the football.

This is a big reason I think Petiffer is overated by many here too.
Kayne may look flash when he's got the ball in his hands but when he doesn't he's an extremely lazy player. Selfish too. Just doesn't bust his balls for his team mates.

If you don't believe mme, go and have a look at the stats. Kayne's towards the bottom of the league in 1%s and tackles.

He even said as much earlier in an interview earlier in the season that he's fundamentally a cruiser or words to that effect.

It's a character flaw. He is a couch potato and sooner or later he'll revert back to his ways as he did towards the end of the year.

I agree with others that I would have looked very closely at trading him whilst his value was high.
I don't see Kayne as a finals footballer.

He runs 18 kilometres a game, more than most midfielders. How does that make him lazy. Also you get no argument from me that O'keefe is a more complete player with a better defensive game.

Kayne's next step is to improve his 1 % and defensive chasing. You do know however we are now comparing him with an (other) elite player in the comp - gives you some idea of his real status.

I do see Kayne as a final's footballer

I couldn't care less if he runs 30 km per game if he's not playing team based football.

The really hard running is the stuff you don't get thanked for...

- To lay a tackle, then get up and lay another tackle.

- To chase an opponent who's 10m ahead of you for 40m even though you've got no hope of catching him simply to put pressure on.

- To bust your balls to get to a space and put a shepherd on for your team mate.

How often is Kayne seen to do these things?

Petiffer is poor in these areas and that equates to lazy, selfish football.
Mind you he's not alone in this and it's something Wallace desperately needs to address in the off season.
petiffer is just up there with the worst of these perpetrators.

We won't be a genuine threat until this improves and Petiffer won't be considered "elite" by any stretch until he rounds out this sorely missing aspect of his game.

 

[the claw]

Petiffer is one of the Tigers laziest players on our list.

This is where you would take an O'Keefe ahead of him every time. Ryan just works that much harder to do the team things when he doesn't have the football.

This is a big reason I think Petiffer is overated by many here too.
Kayne may look flash when he's got the ball in his hands but when he doesn't he's an extremely lazy player. Selfish too. Just doesn't bust his balls for his team mates.

If you don't believe mme, go and have a look at the stats. Kayne's towards the bottom of the league in 1%s and tackles.

He even said as much earlier in an interview earlier in the season that he's fundamentally a cruiser or words to that effect.

It's a character flaw. He is a couch potato and sooner or later he'll revert back to his ways as he did towards the end of the year.

I agree with others that I would have looked very closely at trading him whilst his value was high.
I don't see Kayne as a finals footballer.

He runs 18 kilometres a game, more than most midfielders.  How does that make him lazy. Also you get no argument from me that O'keefe is a more complete player with a better defensive game.

Kayne's next step is to improve his 1 % and defensive chasing.  You do know however we are now comparing him with an (other) elite player in the comp - gives you some idea of his real status.

I do see Kayne as a final's footballer

I couldn't care less if he runs 30 km per game if he's not playing team based football.

The really hard running is the stuff you don't get thanked for...

- To lay a tackle, then get up and lay another tackle.

- To chase an opponent who's 10m ahead of you for 40m even though you've got no hope of catching him simply to put pressure on.

- To bust your balls to get to a space and put a shepherd on for your team mate.

How often is Kayne seen to do these things?

Petiffer is poor in these areas and that equates to lazy, selfish football.
Mind you he's not alone in this and it's something Wallace desperately needs to address in the off season.
petiffer is just up there with the worst of these perpetrators.

We won't be a genuine threat until this improves and Petiffer won't be considered "elite" by any stretch until he rounds out this sorely missing aspect of his game.

here here old one. the thing is pettrified will never change.

 

[lamb22]

Claw and TOO, you know he's good and you really want to luv him. Let it go fellas and enjoy the ride.

On to discussion points, again I agree that Pettifer can and should improve his defensive game.

Claw as for not being able to improve - what rubbish. For me Pettifer was a revelation down back in 2004, we were getting smashed week in week out and he was one of the few having a real crack, (probably because he was playing for his career).

Gotta blame Spud a bit here. I remember Pettifer was played down back because we were short on numbers in a game in 2003 and picked up about 20 possies and looked good. Spud put him back in the forward pocket next week gave him about 30 minutes game time and dropped him the week after that! :

2005 was a big step up on earlier form and 2006 was a step up again. He looks confident at the level now and is starting to do things he didn't try before.

In the modern game you have to run forward and back, present ,get contested and uncontested ball and use the ball well - Pettifer is the prototype modern player. If he picks up his defensive game as you are all crying out for - he'll be a top 10 player - geez you guys are harsh masters on ol Petts - seems if you are not a star you are a dud and with respect a bit rich from blokes who have touted unproven players such as my boy Jay and in Claw's love affair with Traveis Gaspar and Luke Mcguane!!!!

 

[Tango]

Well claw, your quick to jump all over Pettifer, but if you compare his stats to Richo he is pretty important to our structure, he may not fit your opinion of a hard nosed aggressive player but id say that these stats indicate he is close to one of the clubs all time greats.

Add to this that with a bit more work on his defensive side & 1% he would have similar stats to the AA HFF in Okeefe

Thats not bad IMO?

Here are this years stats

Richo                                               Pettifer
18                   2006 Games              22
11.2               Kicks Per Game          14.4
3.7              Handballs Per Game      2.9
14.9             Disposals Per Game     17.3
8.3               Marks Per Game           8.0
2.5               Goals Per Game            1.4
2.2               Behinds Per Game         1.0
0.7               Tackles Per Game          1.4
0.5               Hitouts Per Game           0
0.8             Frees For Per Game         1.0
0.6          Frees Against Per Game      1.1

 

[linuscambridge]

Claw and TOO, you know he's good and you really want to  luv him.  Let it go fellas and enjoy the ride.

On to discussion points, again I agree that Pettifer can and should improve his defensive game.

Claw as for not being able to improve - what rubbish.  For me Pettifer was a revelation down back in 2004, we were getting smashed week in week out and he was one of the few having a real crack, (probably because he was playing for his career).

Gotta blame Spud a bit here.  I remember Pettifer was played down back because we were short on numbers in a game in 2003 and picked up about 20 possies and looked good.  Spud put him back in the forward pocket next week gave him about 30 minutes game time and dropped him the week after that! :

2005 was a big step up on earlier form and 2006 was a step up again.  He looks confident at the level now and is starting to do things he didn't try before.

In the modern game you have to run forward and back, present ,get contested and uncontested ball and use the ball well - Pettifer is the prototype modern player.  If he picks up his defensive game as you are all crying out for - he'll be a top 10 player - geez you guys are harsh masters on ol Petts - seems if you are not a star you are a dud and with respect a bit rich from blokes who have touted unproven players such as my boy Jay and in Claw's love affair with Traveis Gaspar and Luke Mcguane!!!!

A lot of people have short memories or just love to pigeon hole a player as a dud, but my memories of Petts during his stint down back under Danny, were frequent times backing into packs for the contested mark, the sort of play the Kellaways have been worshipped for over the years.

Cast your mind back to the speckie he took during the Adelaide match, that was not the play of a squib or even a player who had any thought of his own safety.

I think also Pettifer suffers from his ability to create space in the forward line, if you make space and then the ball misses its target (which happens all to often at the Tigers), it makes you look loose on the rebound. Kind of the inverse of how Krak does so well in the tackle count, he is a little slow and therefore never too far away from his opponent.