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What has Terry achieved in 3.5 years

The problem (if there's one at all) is not Deledio, it’s the plethora of duds around him that is the problem !
 
craig said:
Ok i'm gonna call this as i see it in regard to the stifled development or stalled progression of Brett and Richie in partcular.

My take on this and i may be way off the mark but these boys looked flashier and more special in their first seasons than they do now.

My answer is this.

Wallace and his *smile* rules and game plan that must be adhered to at all costs.

Brett and Richie given their heads on a wing each and allowed to run at will, carry the footy use their pace and footskills to cut up opposition sides has been replaced by rigid rules and a useless gameplan that cannot be carried out by this side due to a critical lack of skill, brains and ability.

I remember Brett and Tambo against the Pies in their first games for the tigers and all and sundry salivated over the prospect of these 2 running at willo putting on the afterburners and kicking long range goals.

Where are those players now i ask. Tied up in BS game plans and team rules, and still surrounded by duds and so called leaders who are amongst the laziest, most selfish and definately the most overated and underperformed in the comp.

Simple fact is had Richie and Brett been at a better club with real leadership quality coaching ,and quality around them they would both be flying right now absolutely as compared to where they are now.

Deledio being played forward is desperation stuff and the kid should be free to run at will as should Richie.

Put em of HB or on the wings and let em off the leash.

The same thing i reckon has set JON backwards as this kid looks less of a player then he did first year also, same goes for Hughes and Raines.

There is undoubtedly a culture of comfort within the playing ranks imo.

The curse of Rivchmond and being unable to develop top class juniors into top flight AFL stars continues.

For all of Wallaces skiting, and spruiking and BS spinning, he has achieved nothing imo, but he is not alone Miller also has played a major part in the failure of this club to go forward.

Like i said this is a perception of mine and i may be totally wrong and off the mark.
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Spot on the mark Craig.....great post.
 
SCOOP said:
Yeah I am not too unhappy with Deledio and the way Wallace has handled him. If he launches this year into the upper echelon I don't see how any one could complain. A return of 40-50 goals is not out of the question. He looked superb coming out of the square last week. Not many will keep up with him on the burst.
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lids will play well anywhere he plays i just think the sides NEEDS him in the middle

our midfield is not good enough to have 3-4 of our best players all in the forward line
 
craig said:
Ok i'm gonna call this as i see it in regard to the stifled development or stalled progression of Brett and Richie in partcular.

My take on this and i may be way off the mark but these boys looked flashier and more special in their first seasons than they do now.

My answer is this.

Wallace and his *smile* rules and game plan that must be adhered to at all costs.

Brett and Richie given their heads on a wing each and allowed to run at will, carry the footy use their pace and footskills to cut up opposition sides has been replaced by rigid rules and a useless gameplan that cannot be carried out by this side due to a critical lack of skill, brains and ability.

I remember Brett and Tambo against the Pies in their first games for the tigers and all and sundry salivated over the prospect of these 2 running at willo putting on the afterburners and kicking long range goals.

Where are those players now i ask. Tied up in BS game plans and team rules, and still surrounded by duds and so called leaders who are amongst the laziest, most selfish and definately the most overated and underperformed in the comp.

Simple fact is had Richie and Brett been at a better club with real leadership quality coaching ,and quality around them they would both be flying right now absolutely as compared to where they are now.

Deledio being played forward is desperation stuff and the kid should be free to run at will as should Richie.

Put em of HB or on the wings and let em off the leash.

The same thing i reckon has set JON backwards as this kid looks less of a player then he did first year also, same goes for Hughes and Raines.

There is undoubtedly a culture of comfort within the playing ranks imo.

The curse of Rivchmond and being unable to develop top class juniors into top flight AFL stars continues.

For all of Wallaces skiting, and spruiking and BS spinning, he has achieved nothing imo, but he is not alone Miller also has played a major part in the failure of this club to go forward.

Like i said this is a perception of mine and i may be totally wrong and off the mark.
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It's pretty hard to argue with any of this.
 
What ever he does nad what ever he doesn't do, this is a perfect summary of what we need and almost sums up the exact situation we are in. "We are in hell..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz5H62O-72g

That is the ultimate goosebumbs speech.
 
Let me see if I understand this. Prior to Wallace coming along there was much angst from people about lack of game plan and how this inhibited the development of a team, particularly the youth. Now TW has arrived, has a game plan with discipline and now some people are claiming this is also inhibiting the development of our youth. Oh dear.

To instil a new way of playing football - a game plan - with discipline will take time with a group of experienced players who are used to old entrenched ways and will take time with young players only learning the game.

The reality is TW may not be able to pull it off with his way of playing football, however the important thing is if it is to succeed that he sticks to his guns in terms of the basic principles of his game plan and not waver otherwise he will end up with a mish mash of a dogs breakfast that will have no hope of succeeding.

Comments made that the likes of a Tambling and Deledio would have developed faster at any other club are just fanciful and impossible to prove and therefore so easy to say. Tambling and Deledio are progressing just fine - they are both still developing into adults - they have not been fastest developers physically - though keep a careful eye on their progress this year. One thing is certain they are exceptionally further developed as players mentally and physically than when they joined as a 17 year old.
 
SCOOP said:
What ever he does nad what ever he doesn't do, this is a perfect summary of what we need and almost sums up the exact situation we are in. "We are in hell..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz5H62O-72g

That is the ultimate goosebumbs speech.
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Thought it was a bit ho hum and full of cliches. Heard similar in under 12's local football.
 
jb03 said:
Thought it was a bit ho hum and full of cliches. Heard similar in under 12's local football.
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Happy for you to say that JB becuase all the sunshine you have been spewing lately is down right disgusting.
 
We've all heard countless speeches like that. Still gold lol

Loved this comment:

hahahaha thats awesome. . . "there was this b!tch at the olympics like 20 years ago, and the b!tch finished like 10th or 20th, doesnt matter" . . . . classic

:rofl
 
this was a link on the rousing 3/4 time speech. Ha ha

Get Johnny Sitton down to tigerland at half against the blooz if we're down. Should sort a few of our lads out.....
Maybe sack Tivers at half time ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE5mEDcjM6s&feature=related

Bring ya dinner :hihi
 
Personally, I didn't think we would be good enough for a genuine tilt at the flag until Lids and the rest of the class of '04 were the senior players at the club, at about 27/28 years of age.

For me, '04 was Year Zero and I don't think anyone from the preceding years will still be at the club.(Bar Foley,
who is the only refugee from the pre-Wallace era I can see who is young enough and good enough to still be around.)

The club has almost had to start from scratch and instead of a 5 year plan it's more like a 10 year plan was necessary. And as such we are 3 completed seasons and 4 completed drafts into that plan.

If you consider a Premiership team is mostly made up of 22 - 28 year olds, you have 6 maybe 7 drafts to build your Premiership list. Having used up 4 drafts, we have 2 more drafts to build that list of players in the 22- 28 age bracket.(Tells me we shouldn't be wasting top 20 draft picks on 25 year olds who'll be too old when we're any good.)

If we're to win a Premiership by 2014 (when Lids will be 28, and hopefully still at the club) then two thirds of the players (22-28 yolds) are already at the club. It's gonna take more time, apart fom Foley no other player has really clicked as an individual - let alone the group as a team.

I can't see Wallace going the journey, even at this early stage theres just not enough improvement and development being seen. And at this stage it's all about developing players for the future Richmond not the one in the here and now.
 
cagedtiger said:
Let me see if I understand this. Prior to Wallace coming along there was much angst from people about lack of game plan and how this inhibited the development of a team, particularly the youth. Now TW has arrived, has a game plan with discipline and now some people are claiming this is also inhibiting the development of our youth. Oh dear.

To instil a new way of playing football - a game plan - with discipline will take time with a group of experienced players who are used to old entrenched ways and will take time with young players only learning the game.

The reality is TW may not be able to pull it off with his way of playing football, however the important thing is if it is to succeed that he sticks to his guns in terms of the basic principles of his game plan and not waver otherwise he will end up with a mish mash of a dogs breakfast that will have no hope of succeeding.

Comments made that the likes of a Tambling and Deledio would have developed faster at any other club are just fanciful and impossible to prove and therefore so easy to say. Tambling and Deledio are progressing just fine - they are both still developing into adults - they have not been fastest developers physically - though keep a careful eye on their progress this year. One thing is certain they are exceptionally further developed as players mentally and physically than when they joined as a 17 year old.
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oh for christs sake all this prattle about game plans enough. its cattle that enables you to adopt and adapt to several game plans cattle i say. wallace was entrusted to build a list capable of adapting to any style needed to win any given game of footy thus he was entrusted to get us to finals first. and hopefully in time after sustained finals a gf. as far as list building goes the two most responsible for it have failed miserably.
 
craig said:
Ok i'm gonna call this as i see it in regard to the stifled development or stalled progression of Brett and Richie in partcular.

My take on this and i may be way off the mark but these boys looked flashier and more special in their first seasons than they do now.

My answer is this.

Wallace and his *smile* rules and game plan that must be adhered to at all costs.

Brett and Richie given their heads on a wing each and allowed to run at will, carry the footy use their pace and footskills to cut up opposition sides has been replaced by rigid rules and a useless gameplan that cannot be carried out by this side due to a critical lack of skill, brains and ability.

I remember Brett and Tambo against the Pies in their first games for the tigers and all and sundry salivated over the prospect of these 2 running at willo putting on the afterburners and kicking long range goals.

Where are those players now i ask. Tied up in BS game plans and team rules, and still surrounded by duds and so called leaders who are amongst the laziest, most selfish and definately the most overated and underperformed in the comp.

Simple fact is had Richie and Brett been at a better club with real leadership quality coaching ,and quality around them they would both be flying right now absolutely as compared to where they are now.

Deledio being played forward is desperation stuff and the kid should be free to run at will as should Richie.

Put em of HB or on the wings and let em off the leash.

The same thing i reckon has set JON backwards as this kid looks less of a player then he did first year also, same goes for Hughes and Raines.

There is undoubtedly a culture of comfort within the playing ranks imo.

The curse of Rivchmond and being unable to develop top class juniors into top flight AFL stars continues.

For all of Wallaces skiting, and spruiking and BS spinning, he has achieved nothing imo, but he is not alone Miller also has played a major part in the failure of this club to go forward.

Like i said this is a perception of mine and i may be totally wrong and off the mark.
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I agree with you Craig but can't quite blame it all on Wallace or Miller.

I think there is a big problem with our whole player culture
Tonight I was thinking about our lack of effort on the big stage of national TV. I have worked with a lot of musicians from pubs to global stars and was comparing the attitude of our player to these people. A muso usually works for years to hone his craft and when he gets the chance to perform they do it with total effort. I can't think of a single artist I worked with who was satisfied with a less than "killer" set or who was content to be "blown off stage" by someone who they thought was inferior to them (and they had big egos). It wasn't about the money, it was professional pride.

Then we come to Richmond.
These players have been dreaming and practising to reach this stage since they could run and kick a ball. They didn't dream of making the AFL, they dreamed of kicking the winning goal or taking the GF speccie.

What happens to our players when they reach the AFL and relax because now they've reached their goal? Who has convinced them that making the AFL is the end goal of their dreams?

It breaks my heart when I think of how these player will feel in the years to come when they look back on what they did with an opportunity to parade their skills in front of 50,000 people live and millions on TV.
 
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