What I find most annoying

[clown]

Of the list that played yesterday i would say maybe 6 or 7 could be classed as senior players and as a group when compared to other teams senior players they are very average at best thats where the main problem lies with this football club at the moment.

 

[Liverpool]

I agree Nesta. Go back to 94 and 95, Northey had a similar bunch of players. However what you notice if you look back on the 95 season is that:
- They kicked long, often to contests and got numbers to the ball.
- They tackled really well.
- They chased and harrassed.
- They had a go.

If we hadn't lost Richardson and Wigney that season, we could've gone close.

That group were never able to play possession, skill based football as they weren't good enough (as Walls subsequently proved with them).

This lot is the same. If Wallace gave them a similar game plan as above, I'm certain we'd fare better.

Bartlett said something interesting about Tivendale today to illustrate the point. In the post game rap, Schwartz was highlighting Tivendale's poor disposal, especially his short passing and kicking for goal.

Bartlett acknowledged it wasn't good, but what he'd encourage Tivendale to do is always look for the longest option as his longer distance kicking is usually better and the extra ground gained would lessen the impact of any poor disposals that may occur. This logic could be applied to the whole team at present. It may even force them to make a contest as the longer game demands it.

SPOT ON!!!! :clap :clap :clap

At last someone who sees what I am seeing.

I commented just the other day, when i watched the 1995 season-review video.
Players like Duncan kellaway, who couldn't kick more than 30m, made the Big-V team....why?
For his skills?
No.
But for his tackling, chasing, spoiling, harassing, etc.

The whole team from that Northey era had a simple philosophy....bang it long quick to the talls (Richo, Gale, Edwards, Jurica)....have a couple of crumbers down at their feet who NEVER went up for marks (Daffy and Naish)....and they tackled in packs.

It is very frustrating to see, that today, we have players like Richo, *smile*, Hughes....maybe Polak when he is down there....and yet we persist with this "high possession" game, which relies on skills, which OUR TEAM DOES NOT HAVE.

To me, this is Wallace's fault, for trying to implement a game plan that does not suit the personnel he has.

I think Richo would find things easier trying to take a mark against one opponent, rather than 5 others dropping down into the forward line, because we are farting around with having 10 kicks around half-back!
I think Schulz would find it easier to lead out into space, rather than having an opposition ruckman blocking the space in front of him, because Wallace decides we need to play "tempo footy' for the last 25 minutes of the quarter... :

Tell bloody Krak/Bling/Meyer, etc to STAY DOWN.....ban them from going for any marks unless they are the only Tiger player with 20m of the ball.
Its ridiculous seeing Krak going up against Schulz, for the same mark...and then seeing a disciplined defender pick up the loose ball and run off with it.

Bang it long.....play to OUR strengths....give'em a chance up forward...and put pressure on the opposition for once.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

I agree Nesta. Go back to 94 and 95, Northey had a similar bunch of players.

Those sides played with passion and had a team bond, which isn't evident at the moment.

The whole team from that Northey era had a simple philosophy....bang it long quick to the talls (Richo, Gale, Edwards, Jurica)....have a couple of crumbers down at their feet who NEVER went up for marks (Daffy and Naish)....and they tackled in packs.
...
To me, this is Wallace's fault, for trying to implement a game plan that does not suit the personnel he has.
...

The game's changed since then, we need to be smarter. TW will weed out players who can't execute his game plan and recruit players who can.

 

[Brettstigers]

Just finished watching the game and then had to call my south australian mother for mother's day (no way out). All I got was her laughter and her Port Power bear playing the theme song over the telephone line (she's in Tassie I'm in NSW)

I cannot stand *smile* turnovers without pressure. Please stand up Tivva and an honerable mention also to Cam Howat.
I cannot stand *smile* shots at goal because we haven't got the skill to get any closer to goal
I cannot stand *smile* shots at goal on the run and in the forward 50 without pressure, and which don't even look like going in. Stand up again Tivva.
I cannot stand a *smile* scoreline where they should have kicked 10 more goals but missed from easy shots. So the flogging actually flatters us. I can't stand that.
I cannot stand the opposition coasting so much that we actually win the second half, so that's a "positive".
I cannot stand watching *smile* tackles that look like fairy floss.
I cannot stand watching players come into a side who obviously shouldn't be there.
I couldn't stand watching Motlop run and carry the ball up the ground and score without there hardly being a Tiger player in shot.
I cannot stand knowing that this *smile* is going to happen again next week.
I cannot stand knowing, year in and year out, that there are always more players on our list to delist than we can risk recruiting for in a single year.
I cannot stand my wife asking me why I bother to watch and upbraiding me for scaring my twin two year old girls and teaching them new words. :-X
I cannot stand having watched the club over the last few years make reasonable (not best, but reasonable & rational) recruiting & delisting decisions & being where we are today - uncompetitive because we have no depth whatsoever in our playing group.

You can say last week was an aberration, this week pissed me off more - because its an accurate reflection of where we are at.

 

[Griff]

I am a huge Wallace fan, and I think you can see the potential in the way he took the players he got from the Frawley era, plus Deledio, and lifted them to 10 wins in 2005; with a further improvement last year.

But there are problems and they are worth discussing. People have talked about the 2011 press conference, but my concerns focus on the NAB 15 and the Generation Next promotion.

I loved Generation Next when it came out, but I wonder if it didn't send a disastrous message: that the young guys had arrived. They hadn't. Some have come on this year--especially Foley and Tambling--but others haven't. The players clearly felt they were the future of the club, and they had some impressive achievements from 2006, but they had to be realistic, and understand that a premiership team requires constant improvement, intelligence, sacrifice, etc. I don't think Paul Roos would ever allow Sydney the kind of hype that Generation Next symbolised.

My second worry was the NAB 15. The players trained and competed to be top of the leader board. It kept them motivated over summer, but I wonder if it gave them the impression that, as the NAB cup competition began, that they had achieved something. Then they got belted by Geelong, and lost most of their pre-season games. Again, the competition to be the best at training was a fake competition, that might have given the impression they had achieved something when they hadn't.

There is clearly a problem in the way Wallace runs the pre-season. We came out well in 2005, worse in 2006--belted by the dogs in the first game, but finally recovered after a few rounds to start scratching out some ugly wins, before really improving mid-season. This year we've started even worse--catastrophically.

Aside from that, I don't believe anyone else could have done better than Wallace has. He has had a terrible run with injuries, and a list that had to be rebuilt with junions, because it had a blank in the middle. Both he and the players do need support and patience from us.

 

[cooltiger]

This is one of the best posts I have read on PRE this season .Griff you summed up how I see things at the Club .
We have to re group at seasons end get rid of the dead wood ..recruit well and come back better and stonger in 08 ..in some ways this season might lay down the foundations for future success . The baby bombers in 93 they got flogged every week then went on to great things in 94 ..and the West Coast 2000 season . Brissy in 1998-9 . This season might be the foundation for our fuutre success

 

[rinso17]

I am a huge Wallace fan, and I think you can see the potential in the way he took the players he got from the Frawley era, plus Deledio, and lifted them to 10 wins in 2005; with a further improvement last year.

But there are problems and they are worth discussing. People have talked about the 2011 press conference, but my concerns focus on the NAB 15 and the Generation Next promotion.

I loved Generation Next when it came out, but I wonder if it didn't send a disastrous message: that the young guys had arrived. They hadn't. Some have come on this year--especially Foley and Tambling--but others haven't. The players clearly felt they were the future of the club, and they had some impressive achievements from 2006, but they had to be realistic, and understand that a premiership team requires constant improvement, intelligence, sacrifice, etc. I don't think Paul Roos would ever allow Sydney the kind of hype that Generation Next symbolised.

My second worry was the NAB 15. The players trained and competed to be top of the leader board. It kept them motivated over summer, but I wonder if it gave them the impression that, as the NAB cup competition began, that they had achieved something. Then they got belted by Geelong, and lost most of their pre-season games. Again, the competition to be the best at training was a fake competition, that might have given the impression they had achieved something when they hadn't.

There is clearly a problem in the way Wallace runs the pre-season. We came out well in 2005, worse in 2006--belted by the dogs in the first game, but finally recovered after a few rounds to start scratching out some ugly wins, before really improving mid-season. This year we've started even worse--catastrophically.

Aside from that, I don't believe anyone else could have done better than Wallace has. He has had a terrible run with injuries, and a list that had to be rebuilt with junions, because it had a blank in the middle. Both he and the players do need support and patience from us.

Don't agree Griff. As a basketball and Football coach I find the that the best way for the players to keep focus and put in 100% at training is to make them compete with each outher.
Training drills are usually done at half to 3/4 pace when when not competitive, with intencity lifted when competing against a clock or an opponent.
For this reason l thought the NAB 15 concept was an excellent initiative that will be adopted by other coaches at all levels.

 

[tigersnake]

All hope of a finals spot was lost when Coughlan did his knee and Brown's leg didn't come up, compounded by Simmonds being out or playing at half power. That's 3 of our best 4. Not many clubs can handle that type of loss and still compete, much less a team like us with mediocre second tier senior players and a very young list.

yep

 

[Turbo Tiger]

Real ggod post. Love the topic and well discussed by all. Nothing to add except TT edict "stop all excuses and assess the situation honestly - we are the equal worst (with Melbourne) team in the comp and we need to improve 300% if we are ever going to be competative."

Thats all from this turbo-charged cat....

 

[TigersYellowAndBlack]

In retrospect, the biggest problem is that Wallace didn't start the process in 2005. We've effectively lost two years because of that.

I know that we've turned over a lot of players since the end of 2004 (shows how bad the list really was), but we should have instantly invested in youth.

We have done exactly that.....just look at the average age of our side over the last few years if you don't believe me.

It was at least a year, possibly two that Terry and Co identified the big hole in Richmonds early 20's group.