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- Thread starter The Cotch
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Sir said:On Sky news this morning they tried to make out that he is the "coach in waiting"
Please, please, please NO! NO! NO! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Two things:
1. How can he do any worse than what I witnessed today?
2. What choice will we have when any decent coach is already tied up with a club?
If we ended up with Campbell to the end of the season while the board take the rest of this season to interview and get a decent candidate, then I can live with that.
Sir said:On Sky news this morning they tried to make out that he is the "coach in waiting"
Please, please, please NO! NO! NO! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder if the media wish to help appoint a coach that will help them sell more papers or get them more airtime/ratings from disgruntled fans for the next 3 years ! (just thinking outside the square)
I can not see what he has done to deserve this support! Jade Rawlings coaching Coburg should have a better chance than him !
I liked Campbell but IMO he is not ready
Nobody rated Clarkson.
I'd be willing to give any untried coach a go as long as he and the list manager have the correct philosophies in place. Philosophies that include -
- cleaning out the list of the older players and the numerous players who don't posses the adequate skills and smarts
- placing high emphasis on rebuilding through the draft by maximising the amount of live picks we utilise each and every year
- placing high emphasis on recruiting well skilled, footy smart players with a zero tolerance for players who can't kick
- placing high emphasis on development of the kids via getting games into them at the expense of losses
In other words a coach who is prepared to do the hard work and do a proper cleanout and rebuild through the draft - something a Richmond coach and list manager have never done in the history of the draft.
3 years is enough time to make a judgement on whether the coach has the correct philosophies in place. After 3 years it should have been crystal clear that Wallace had no idea as he went on to win the spoon by persisting with the more senior players and retreads from other clubs. But somehow the club and tiger fans refused to open their eyes to this. The new coach should only be given 3 years, nothing more, and a judgement call needs to be made then about the direction we are heading.
I'd be willing to give any untried coach a go as long as he and the list manager have the correct philosophies in place. Philosophies that include -
- cleaning out the list of the older players and the numerous players who don't posses the adequate skills and smarts
- placing high emphasis on rebuilding through the draft by maximising the amount of live picks we utilise each and every year
- placing high emphasis on recruiting well skilled, footy smart players with a zero tolerance for players who can't kick
- placing high emphasis on development of the kids via getting games into them at the expense of losses
In other words a coach who is prepared to do the hard work and do a proper cleanout and rebuild through the draft - something a Richmond coach and list manager have never done in the history of the draft.
3 years is enough time to make a judgement on whether the coach has the correct philosophies in place. After 3 years it should have been crystal clear that Wallace had no idea as he went on to win the spoon by persisting with the more senior players and retreads from other clubs. But somehow the club and tiger fans refused to open their eyes to this. The new coach should only be given 3 years, nothing more, and a judgement call needs to be made then about the direction we are heading.
ToraToraTora said:
LOL
Yeah solve our imcompentence in that area by taking the coach of the midfeild and making him head coach.
We should take Mcmahon and make him captain under the Wayne Cambpell theory.
The main concern IMO is that he is unproven, however it is encouraging to know that he is highy-rated by Rodney Eade and others. He seems to have a pretty senior role as assistant now, given that when Wallace was in Sydney the other day he took over the coaching reigns, surprising given that this is only his first year at Tigerland.
Generally I am unsure as to how I feel about it, but my opinion about the coaching carousel is that Wallace probably should not be sacked until at least Rd11, and that they maybe should not elect for Campbell as interim coach. The reason for this belief is that if Campbell was to take over at some stage this season, it would certainly narrow the coaching possibilties and the amount of candidates down, and instead of having a look at 10 coaches the club might focus on 3 or 4 (with Campbell being the favourite). Two examples of when this has occurred, when Brett Ratten took over as interim coach of Carlton and was later appointed senior coach, and when Mark Harvey took over as interim coach of Fremantle and was later appointed senior coach. Obviously to this point it has worked out well for Carlton and not so well for Freo, but the point I am trying to make is that the club really needs to make the right decision about the coach at this time.
Generally I am unsure as to how I feel about it, but my opinion about the coaching carousel is that Wallace probably should not be sacked until at least Rd11, and that they maybe should not elect for Campbell as interim coach. The reason for this belief is that if Campbell was to take over at some stage this season, it would certainly narrow the coaching possibilties and the amount of candidates down, and instead of having a look at 10 coaches the club might focus on 3 or 4 (with Campbell being the favourite). Two examples of when this has occurred, when Brett Ratten took over as interim coach of Carlton and was later appointed senior coach, and when Mark Harvey took over as interim coach of Fremantle and was later appointed senior coach. Obviously to this point it has worked out well for Carlton and not so well for Freo, but the point I am trying to make is that the club really needs to make the right decision about the coach at this time.
I've got a good idea. Kick Wallace out the door and give Campbell 18 weeks to show his stuff. That avoids him being "unproven" at the end of the season and we'd certainly get a decent idea as to whether he's up to it or not.
BrisTiger24 said:
So on that assumption of yours Brissy am I to assume that the players we have at the club now are good enough to become a winning combination, given a new coaching direction ?
jackfrost said:
It's all about developing a game plan that is targetted at the strengths of our playing group. Clearly the high possession game plan couldn't be any further from the strengths of our current playing group. If Campbell came in and tweaked the game plan to suit his players that's all he could do to show that he's got something to offer up as a coach. No doubt there needs to be a clean out of the playing group over a few years to press for a premiership but showing what he could do with the current group could give us an idea of what he can offer as a coach in the future.
BrisTiger24 said:
Fair comment .........
My point being I seriously doubt the ability of the players we have to pick from on any given week, regardless of what the Coach's (whoever that may be) gameplan is, I simply see this group of players as totally substandard when it comes winning games on a week to week basis.
Its still the players who consistently mis-kick, miss tackles, miss handballs, drop marks, make terrible decisions, etc, etc............what makes you think that a new Coach will alter these problems ?
Aren't they signs of a player simply not good enough to be playing at this level, because personally, thats how I see it.
Liverpool said:
1. He cant.
I personally think Campbell offers nothing. I didnt like him as a player and did preside over some really bad soft years. Having said that he is as good as anyone to takeover as a caretaker. As liverpool said who's going to come and take the job mid-year. Nobody.
The next full time coach must be under clear instructions from the board to clean this joint out. I actually dont think anything else really matters. We will be in a rebuild anyway. If Campbell can demonstate that he will take a red pen to this list (including his old team mates) then he should be considered with everybody else.
jackfrost said:
The team won 11 games last year and I would argue that the quality coming into the club was at least equal to the quality going out over the off season. The stupid zone copy effort and, to a lesser extent, the increase in possession were not there for the majority of the 11 wins (I can recall we were playing man-on-man for a lot of the wins). I think the crux of a winning team is there but clearly they are playing a gameplan that is not suited to them.