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PUNT ROAD END | Richmond Tigers Forum
This thread is inspired by the Malthosue mini debate on the 'other games' thread.
Firstly, a definition is required. Do you base it purely on Flags won, which makes it a similar debate to golf and whether you are judged on major victories alone. Or do you need to consider, among other things;
- Number of times runner up (grand final appearances)
- Flags at multiple clubs
- winning percentages
- inherited list
- player and club development
- inherited finances
- the club
- the club’s history
- supporter base,
etc etc
Further, is being a successful coach different from being a good, or even great one? Wallace and Eade are considered to be good coaches by most yet have only one grand final appearance between them in what will be after this year 18 seasons. Hardly successful.
Malthouse has won 2 flags and had 3 runners up but is in his 23rd season. Sheedy, in his 26th season has 4 flags and 3 runners up so must by almost any definition be a more successful coach than Malthouse.
Jock McHale won 8 flags from an amazing 17 grand final appearances so no need to go there.
Jeans had 4 flags from 9 grand final appearances in 26 seasons, Hafey the same record in 23 seasons, Barassi 4 from 8 in 23
Frank Hughes won 5 from 10 in 19, an exceptional record, remarkably leaving the Tigers after winning a flag. I’m sure Rhett could tell us the circumstances.
John Northey remains the only coach to coach over 300 games without a flag so despite some good efforts, can not really be classified as a successful coach. Daniher and Eade are heading toward that territory so may want to score one soon. Especially Daniher who has remained at his original club.
I’m not sure what the answer is, and there is unlikely to be a definitive one.
To help form an opinion, check the records here: http://afl.allthestats.com/coaches/coachrecs.php
Firstly, a definition is required. Do you base it purely on Flags won, which makes it a similar debate to golf and whether you are judged on major victories alone. Or do you need to consider, among other things;
- Number of times runner up (grand final appearances)
- Flags at multiple clubs
- winning percentages
- inherited list
- player and club development
- inherited finances
- the club
- the club’s history
- supporter base,
etc etc
Further, is being a successful coach different from being a good, or even great one? Wallace and Eade are considered to be good coaches by most yet have only one grand final appearance between them in what will be after this year 18 seasons. Hardly successful.
Malthouse has won 2 flags and had 3 runners up but is in his 23rd season. Sheedy, in his 26th season has 4 flags and 3 runners up so must by almost any definition be a more successful coach than Malthouse.
Jock McHale won 8 flags from an amazing 17 grand final appearances so no need to go there.
Jeans had 4 flags from 9 grand final appearances in 26 seasons, Hafey the same record in 23 seasons, Barassi 4 from 8 in 23
Frank Hughes won 5 from 10 in 19, an exceptional record, remarkably leaving the Tigers after winning a flag. I’m sure Rhett could tell us the circumstances.
John Northey remains the only coach to coach over 300 games without a flag so despite some good efforts, can not really be classified as a successful coach. Daniher and Eade are heading toward that territory so may want to score one soon. Especially Daniher who has remained at his original club.
I’m not sure what the answer is, and there is unlikely to be a definitive one.
To help form an opinion, check the records here: http://afl.allthestats.com/coaches/coachrecs.php