What was it that made us recruit ........

[Ghost of 29]

Symptomatic of having an understaffed and under resourced recruitment department for years. Not to mention Greg Miller clearly having a skewed view of what made a good footballer in the modern era.

On Hislop and Thompson, both these guys share very similiar traits
* slow
* poor kick
* supposedly hard at it.

I have already put a line through these 2 as wasted picks who will deliver nothing.

Would love to know what the recruiting/list strategy was in Miller's time at the club, because the end result has been a total disaster.

On Edwards, he was touted as a non stop running midfielder. Many track watchers thought it was a great pick up. I have heard Andrew Jarman who coached him in the SANFL talk about him and he is a massive rap for him.

 

[Disco08]

On Hislop and Thompson, both these guys share very similiar traits
* slow
* poor kick
* supposedly hard at it.

I have already put a line through these 2 as wasted picks who will deliver nothing.

Big call. Guys that can win the footy are generally regarded as pretty important these days, with all the stoppages and flooding/zoning. Often the best chance to score comes from a quick, clean handball out of the pack that releases a quicker play to deliver over the zone. To have an impact on games these types don't generally need to use pace or elite kicking, they just need to have good stamina and a knack for winning the ball in tight and using it well by hand.

 

[jb03]

Big call. Guys that can win the footy are generally regarded as pretty important these days, with all the stoppages and flooding/zoning. Often the best chance to score comes from a quick, clean handball out of the pack that releases a quicker play to deliver over the zone. To have an impact on games these types don't generally need to use pace or elite kicking, they just need to have good stamina and a knack for winning the ball in tight and using it well by hand.

That is true but those sort need to get the ball 20+ times. Doubt Hislop will ever do that, reserve judgement on Thomson.

Just reckon they are further examples of recruiting players with too many deficiencies.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Disagree

(with myself) ;D

;D

 

[the claw]

i have to admit i have not noticed hislops kicking other than he kicks a few up and unders. perhaps im a bit blinkered when it comes to players with a bit of toughness. i think at pick 58ish and at just 20yrs of age hislop was worth taking a punt on. what i dont understand is why we took him after already trading a third rounder for a similar player in thomson.. my preference has always been to use the nd and i would not have traded pick 42 for thomson.

i also believe hislop could have been taken at pick 70 or even in the psd. one thing for sure last yrs draft was an opportunity lost we should have moved mountains to get 6 or 7 nd picks.once again instead of trading into them we trade out of them. the use of the rookie list was pretty ordinary as well again.

 

[craig]

Once again my dear Claws here here.

 

[nikolasmia]

I don't see much difference between him and Subpar.

Subpar , before his knee was a good stopper, athleetic and a good mark. That's why we gave him so much money and he made AA at one stage.You could get away with kicking deficienceies 5 or 6 years ago.

The trouble was that he butchered the ball fairly often, panicked and went to ground too easily-- Exactly the shortcomings that McGuane has.

How was that shot by McGuiane from about 20 metres out yesterday; he nearly bloody missed everything!

say what you want about mcguane as a footballer but he is a better mark than *smile* ever was, much much better.

 

[Scoop]

I don't see much difference between him and Subpar.

Subpar , before his knee was a good stopper, athleetic and a good mark. That's why we gave him so much money and he made AA at one stage.You could get away with kicking deficienceies 5 or 6 years ago.

The trouble was that he butchered the ball fairly often, panicked and went to ground too easily-- Exactly the shortcomings that McGuane has.

How was that shot by McGuiane from about 20 metres out yesterday; he nearly bloody missed everything!

Agree Evo. Hadn't thought about it but you are right. If this was 2001 I would have no issue with McGuane but the game is so different. Kicking skills are the most vital part of football in 2009.

I know everyone is sick of it but you have to follow the Hawthorn model. We can argue about the starting points of each club but Hawthorn have the right model for picking kids. Look at Brendan Whitecross. Talk about composure and kicking skills. I am amazed that the Hawks can bring a kid in and have him look so at home on the big stage. He looks natural with the ball in his hands and kicks the ball very well. Sure it is a case of 18 months of work at the club but he clearly had the natural skill base to begin with. These are the players that we need to be attracting and selecting.

 

[Disco08]

Agree that the Hawks are obviously recruiting everyone (bar ruckmen) they can with great footskills. The do have a number of guys on the list though that are pretty ordinary (Richmondesque even) by foot that are important to their team and structure because of the other qualities they bring to the table. Similarly to McGuane, Brown regularly gets the job on one of the opposition's key forwards and does a great job. He's also an enforcer for them, much like McGuane is trying to do for Richmond. And just like McGuane, Brown turns it over a lot. This year he's turned it over with nearly half of his disposals. In previous years he's turned it over at a rate that places him well below average.

If McGuane was surrounded by a team of blokes that had great kicking skills and ran all day to support their team mates he'd be a perfectly reliable CHB.

 

[Scoop]

Hang on, let me get this straight.

You are comparing McGuane's foot skills to Campbell Browns?

Geez, long bow. I would have Brown a long way ahead.

 

[Disco08]

On numbers I am. I haven't got a good enough memory and haven't seen enough Hawks games to make a realistic comparison myself.

As I said, Brown's turnover numbers are almost as deplorable as McGuane's.

 

[Streak]

i have to admit i have not noticed hislops kicking other than he kicks a few up and unders. perhaps im a bit blinkered when it comes to players with a bit of toughness. i think at pick 58ish and at just 20yrs of age hislop was worth taking a punt on. what i dont understand is why we took him after already trading a third rounder for a similar player in thomson.. my preference has always been to use the nd and i would not have traded pick 42 for thomson.

i also believe hislop could have been taken at pick 70 or even in the psd. one thing for sure last yrs draft was an opportunity lost we should have moved mountains to get 6 or 7 nd picks.once again instead of trading into them we trade out of them. the use of the rookie list was pretty ordinary as well again.

Yep, once we got Thomson, we should not have picked Hislop in the ND. I am not sure why we went for Thomson, but to be fair to him I have not seen him play. However, what is clear here is that we have paid way over the odds to get a player with some toughness.

 

[Bill James]

I don't see much difference between him and Subpar.

Subpar , before his knee was a good stopper, athleetic and a good mark. That's why we gave him so much money and he made AA at one stage.You could get away with kicking deficienceies 5 or 6 years ago.

The trouble was that he butchered the ball fairly often, panicked and went to ground too easily-- Exactly the shortcomings that McGuane has.

How was that shot by McGuiane from about 20 metres out yesterday; he nearly bloody missed everything!

Thursty is a better comparison with Gaspar, both stoppers and not high posession winners. McGaune is prepared to peel off and help out, never a strenght of Gaspar, paticularly at the end of his career. McGaune is not in the same league as Thursty or Gaspar as a stopper at best is a good third tall.


His kick like Moores the week before was a typical backmans shot at goal.

 

[Tigers of Old]

His butchery of the set shot was no worse than Moore’s the week before, players of all skill levels can have brain explosions in front of goal.

Agreed it was a bad miss but defenders have been missing gimme shots at goal since the dawn of time. No surprise as they rarely get up there.
Luke's field kicking was pretty sound again yesterday.
He's easily been our best defender so far this season.

 

[Tiger_4_Life]

Agreed it was a bad miss but defenders have been missing gimme shots at goal since the dawn of time. No surprise as they rarely get up there.
Luke's field kicking was pretty sound again yesterday.
He's easily been our best defender so far this season.

Yeah well said ToO, I think McGuane's getting a massively bad wrap after the weekend's game. I thought he was 1 of 5 players including Richo, Foley, Tuck and Rance who didn't give it up. His foot skills were generally sound and his marking so far this year has been very good. People are wanting and asking for players who will die for the jumper, I genuinely believe that McGuane is one of these guys, the fact that I can't recall a Richmond player who gets so annoyed at being beaten by his opponent in the last 10 years as much as McGuane does says a lot to me about the player he is, he throws his mouth guard on the ground and even the punch against Geelong (as silly as it was) showed his frsutration at being beaten and losing. He's young and has shown growth and developlement over the last 2.5 years which is a hell of a lot more than other players his age on our list.

 

[tigertim]

I lost count the number of times the ball came into the Doggies forward line and Moore/McGuane/Richo etc ALL go up, no-one down, Doggies get the crumbs. Not only did McGuane often go up into the contest he so often didn't lay a finger on the ball to spoil which makes it even more frustrating.