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Which 5 players will be most under the pump in 08?
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Schulz,JON,Hughes,White, Hyde. Sugar will retire at end of 08 Tivendale should be pushed out of the side mid next year will also retire at end of 08,could also be Simmo's last year depending on how he pulls up after the blood clot and other injuries ankles going on a big bloke are a bad sign, that leaves plenty of room for the " Young Guns " to shine so start shining Lids,Bling,Patto,Rains,JR,Axel, Shane Edwards, Jacko,Thursty,Polo,Connors, Kingy, Morton and the next rung up Cogs,Newie,Petts,Polak,McMahon, Tucky then the most experinced Bowden,Brownie,Richo, sorry just started to get excited about next year better get back to the fridge and calm down :beer :beer :beer
Easy ToO, Schulz, Hyde, Meyer, Moore and maybe Coughlan. No surpises there. These are players who as the title suggests wont be at the club next year if they under perform.Tigers of Old said:
no one knows how Coughlan is gonna go next year. My guess is he will initially struggle but will find his rthym (I hate spelling that word) midseason.
Another thing harped on about is his apparent lack of speed. He’s not quick but then again he’s not slow either. Before he broke down in 06 he was regularily running down the wing ball in hand. Just like Foley, some seem to think because he’s a genuine midfielder means he’s slow god knows how that works but it seems the case with many on here who just bang on a notion until its believed true.
I find incredibly interesting that a lot of newer posters have Tambling lined up in the sights. Spampants, Skunkden even has Tambling on par with Schulz??? Now Tambo’s being groomed for the toughest job on the field IMO, a quick thinking inside/outside mid and improving by the game as opposed to Schulz who can’t even nail an easy gig down back.
Tambo’s buggered shoulder stuffed his early form around. I was in the rooms before one game and he winced whenever he raised his arm above his head. You could tell during the game that it hindered his effectiveness. However when it healed up towards the end of the season he really come good. Gee I hope he has a full preseason and stays fit next year. Some just refuse to see real talent when its staring them right in the face then its like “yea but he was crap before” BS total BS!!!
We are building one hell of a quick side and darksiders “dud” lists are getting thinner and thinner year by year.
blx said:
When I started the thread I didn't necessarily think that 'under the pump' necessarily meant delisted. Although in retrospect I can see the confusion.
I am a big fan of Ritchie and he is improving slowly but I'd like to see plenty more from him as I think he's got plenty more to offer.
He's extremely talented, just needs a little more focus and he could be anything.
I included him in my list simply to keep him honest because this club needs him to make the most of his abilities.
I agree with all the players on your list BTW and agree the duds are dwindling.
gee does that mean GM and co are actually managing the list and bringing quality players in, and turning list over in an effort to improve our prospects?Tigers of Old said:
blx said:
"Under the pump" doesn't mean that we think they should go. it just means that for whatever reason we think they'll come in for extra, in this case unfair scrutiny. Tambling for example won't have a minute's peace until he shakes off the comparisons to franklin. He is certianly talented though. He's in no danger of being delisted.
And as to the second bit I agree. We're gradually getting rid of the duds. Doesn't really atter whether wallace brings us success, because whoever, if anyone replaces him in the near future will have some sort of concrete list to coach, rather than develop and chop and change etc.
Tigers of Old said:
dont know why i have an afinity with Meyer but for some reason i like the kid.
another whose body hacked him out last year. hopefully he too will be able to put in a more than reasonable preseason and start finding some touch.
I recall a praccy match a few years ago at vic park and remember him do two incredibly difficult lace out kicks into the forwardline from a wing position. I thought straight away that this kid is all class and he really is. we dont have much of that which is why i think he is well worth perservering with.
If we take it as gospel that his body has been giving him grief then lets hope they've banged that nail on the head and he's all good from here on in cause if he can find some form i think he'll be damaging player purely because of his ability to dispose with class and skill.
hmmm, i think i've just answered my original question :hihi
nice rant blx, although missing a few facts
this thread the way i read it isnt purely based on first in line for delistings, its also about players who need to live up to expectations
yes bling has talent but so do all other top 5 draft picks, its the ones that are willing to work that take their game to the next level which we hope he does
schulz
meyer
mcmahon
tambling
deledio
forget about the likes of moore, hyde and tivendale because even their best put together wouldnt impact much on the side, the guys in my list though will play a big part on if we actually do IMPROVE in 08
this thread the way i read it isnt purely based on first in line for delistings, its also about players who need to live up to expectations
yes bling has talent but so do all other top 5 draft picks, its the ones that are willing to work that take their game to the next level which we hope he does
schulz
meyer
mcmahon
tambling
deledio
forget about the likes of moore, hyde and tivendale because even their best put together wouldnt impact much on the side, the guys in my list though will play a big part on if we actually do IMPROVE in 08
no it just means the standard of dud is getting better..we just got rid of 9 players theres still around 15 players who could be turned over in the next 2 or 3 yrs obviously there are some who need to be turned over asap.willo said:gee does that mean GM and co are actually managing the list and bringing quality players in, and turning list over in an effort to improve our prospects?
and there are some who are okay players who give good service but need to be upgraded for better more skilled versions a little further down the track.they may overcome deficiencies and will be kept at the least they will make good depth players at best they become good solid foot soldiers.
the players in this latter category are jackson mcguane pattison pettifer polo raines polak tuck king white a tad harsh maybe but we just won a spoon tough assesments have to be made.
with so many early picks over the last 5 or 6 drafts we should be pushing for a top 4 berth instead we will be fighting to avoid a spoon. why is this. the obvious answers are we dont have the cattle. all other clubs have improved just as much as us or more. and the big one for me our structure is the worst in the comp.
long termers are deledio. connors edwards foley. newman. thursfield. tambling.
potential long termers kids with good skills who you are hoping can make the grade. hoping being the operative word. casserly collins meyer riewoldt jon morton hughes. mcmahon.theres no guarantees in this list one or 4 are on thin ice already. perhaps im being a bit generous.
then you have the oldies who will be gone in 2 or 3yrs. richo bowden johnson simmonds brown
then your players like coughlan basically 3 yrs out of footy you have to ask the question.
the rest well i think they are generally the ones people have been picking on this thread.
ya know i think with a dominating big strong key defender a rebounding chb an imposing ruckman 2 strong quick skillful inside and outside onballers to help foley and hopefully coughlan and connors a decent big bodied chf a couple of big bodied flankers with lots of mongrel and pace. a good coach could probably push this list to 7th or 8th.BrisTiger24 said:
Poor kicks
"According to Cameron (Craig), kicking means more than simply delivering the ball by foot to the intended target, as important as that is.
He watches good kicks take the game on because they are confident in their ability to deliver and sees bad kicks shrivel from the risks all coaches want their players to take.
"What it does is cause decision-making problems, because they know they can't kick it well enough,"
"Poor kicking can create and or exacerbate decision-making problems."
"A player who is a poor kick will have his options narrowed by his reticence to make a mistake, but will also change the way his teammates respond to his winning the ball.
"If the receiver isn't confident about the player kicking the ball to him, he will lead wider or to a safer position or not lead at all for fear of being put under pressure by the kick. It can change the psyche of the side.
"Another example is the way players will run to a player who is a poor kick to get him out of trouble, to bail him out from having to kick. Think about where they would run if the player with the ball is Luke Hodge or Dustin Fletcher. It can affect the way the team moves as a unit."
"Teams are extremely good now at exploiting players who can't kick, They leave them free or work to have them finish with the ball in their hands knowing that they will turn it over. "Now, it's the good kicks who might only get the ball 15 times who are tagged.
Can't kick? Can't win Stephen Rielly June 30, 2006
"According to Cameron (Craig), kicking means more than simply delivering the ball by foot to the intended target, as important as that is.
He watches good kicks take the game on because they are confident in their ability to deliver and sees bad kicks shrivel from the risks all coaches want their players to take.
"What it does is cause decision-making problems, because they know they can't kick it well enough,"
"Poor kicking can create and or exacerbate decision-making problems."
"A player who is a poor kick will have his options narrowed by his reticence to make a mistake, but will also change the way his teammates respond to his winning the ball.
"If the receiver isn't confident about the player kicking the ball to him, he will lead wider or to a safer position or not lead at all for fear of being put under pressure by the kick. It can change the psyche of the side.
"Another example is the way players will run to a player who is a poor kick to get him out of trouble, to bail him out from having to kick. Think about where they would run if the player with the ball is Luke Hodge or Dustin Fletcher. It can affect the way the team moves as a unit."
"Teams are extremely good now at exploiting players who can't kick, They leave them free or work to have them finish with the ball in their hands knowing that they will turn it over. "Now, it's the good kicks who might only get the ball 15 times who are tagged.
Can't kick? Can't win Stephen Rielly June 30, 2006
1: Jordan Mcmahon
2: Jay Schulz
3: Cleve Hughes
4: Danny Meyer
5: Richard Tambling
Above are in no particular order. McMahon will want to prove he can really play and re-pay the Tigers faith in recruiting him. There's always a lot more pressure on a player after he's changed clubs.
Schulz, Hughes and Meyer: I need to say no more.
Tambling needs to breakout and become the player he should be.
I could have easily said Deledio. No1 pick from 2004, he's had 3 seasons under his belt now. We all thought 2007 was going to be his breakout year but it didn't really happen. If it doesnt happen in 2008 the pressure will be on. I am not saying he'd get traded or anything like that but he'd want to start shedding the tag of potential and replace it with "star" or "matchwinner" or "champion"!
2: Jay Schulz
3: Cleve Hughes
4: Danny Meyer
5: Richard Tambling
Above are in no particular order. McMahon will want to prove he can really play and re-pay the Tigers faith in recruiting him. There's always a lot more pressure on a player after he's changed clubs.
Schulz, Hughes and Meyer: I need to say no more.
Tambling needs to breakout and become the player he should be.
I could have easily said Deledio. No1 pick from 2004, he's had 3 seasons under his belt now. We all thought 2007 was going to be his breakout year but it didn't really happen. If it doesnt happen in 2008 the pressure will be on. I am not saying he'd get traded or anything like that but he'd want to start shedding the tag of potential and replace it with "star" or "matchwinner" or "champion"!
