Who can it be now? ... to replace Sugar.

[ToraToraTora]

HOLD THE PRESSES! SPUD BACKS NEWMAN!!!! NEWMAN!NEWMAN!NEWMAN! :rofl :rofl :rofl

 

[momentai]

I have previously argued in favour of Lids over Newman. Even at this stage of his career he is the better player and much more likely to inspire as well as to stand up for teammates under fire. No criticism of Newman, everyone is different but I don't remember ever seeing him show aggression towards an opponent.

If Lids doesn't feel he is ready then he isn't and for me the best choice would then be Shane Tuck. While Richo would have been a far better skip than Kane, that opportunity has unfortunately now passed us by.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Leysy's always wondered where this general thought that Deledio's introverted comes from. It seems to be a given on PRE but leysy's not sure if it has any reasoning.

From Leysy's observations he's quite the opposite. He's generally the centre of attention from his teammates, both on the training track & socially.

He's one of our more outgoing characters from what leysy's heard & to his eye.

I think it may have come from a sentence in a HUN story originally, make of that what you will.

I thought when he was drafted that he was talked about as a leader type personality.

Just by how they play on field I'd go Tuck for two years then Lids, but maybe Tuck doesn't have the personality.

 

[Scoop]

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[BrisTiger24]

How old was Buckley and Hird when they became captains?- are there any similar trends betweem them and Lids.

Some comparisons:

Hird - 25 when he got the captaincy

Buckley - 26 when he got the captaincy

Cousins - 22 when he got the captaincy

Crawford - 24 when he got the captaincy

Pavlich - 24 when he got the captaincy

Kelly - 23 when he got the captaincy

Voss - 21 when he got the captaincy (but co-captain with Lynch)

Lids would fall into the Voss class, although Voss had support from Lynch. He would be younger than Cousins and Kelly who I remember were made out to be aggressive choices at the time for captaincy.

24 seems a good age for it and if one of our senior guys is likely to be around for another 2 years, I see no reason why they shouldn't take it with the progression to Lids at 23/24.

 

[Danarchy]

Sugar leaving the captaincy was at least a year early. Beleive that Deledio is the best choice but I was hoping to see him get another big year under his belt before he gets the #17. Giving it to Richo may only be a short term selection (1-2 years) but it is a better option than promoting someone too early. A bit of Richo emotion and never-say-die approach may be the extra we need for a top 4 assault next year.

 

[chislop]

I think it may have come from a sentence in a HUN story originally, make of that what you will.

I thought when he was drafted that he was talked about as a leader type personality.

Just by how they play on field I'd go Tuck for two years then Lids, but maybe Tuck doesn't have the personality.

I think the assertion that Lids is introverted is an urban myth. He strikes me as very much like Judd...lots of self belief without arrogance, an emotionally strong young lad and very talented. I think the captaincy would really bring out the best in him.

 

[Freezer]

The more I contemplate it, the more I realise how disappointed I'll be if Newman gets it. Servicable player, yes. But hardly inspiring. We've had four years of "steadying the ship" with Johnson. Time to start creating some new legends.

 

[pahoffm]

24 seems a good age for it and if one of our senior guys is likely to be around for another 2 years, I see no reason why they shouldn't take it with the progression to Lids at 23/24.

Agree.

Reckon Deledio still needs one or two more years to extract everything he can in his own individual development before taking the onus of the team on his shoulders.

 

[Broadsword95]

Coughlan. I genuinely can't believe it when people say the game has changed so rapidly, nor that he wouldn't be able to adapt even if it had. This guy is a champ, a professional, speaks well, would be respected, as is hard at it. Barring injury, he's your man. Imagine the feel good factor too. Champ.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

24 seems a good age for it and if one of our senior guys is likely to be around for another 2 years, I see no reason why they shouldn't take it with the progression to Lids at 23/24.

Exactly, that is why I think Newman is the best at the moment. Ticks all the boxes for the moment.

The situation is very similar to Hawthorn. They had Hodge and Mitchell maturing and nominated Vanderburg.

We are in the same boat.

 

[Redford]

The more I contemplate it, the more I realise how disappointed I'll be if Newman gets it. Servicable player, yes. But hardly inspiring. We've had four years of "steadying the ship" with Johnson. Time to start creating some new legends.

Agree. Newman...meh. Mad Cow for a year or two with maybe Lids or Foley thereafter for mine.

If they dont want to appoint Mad Cow (which appears to be the case), then would prefer Foley. Lids isnt ready.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

Coughlan. I genuinely can't believe it when people say the game has changed so rapidly, nor that he wouldn't be able to adapt even if it had. This guy is a champ, a professional, speaks well, would be respected, as is hard at it. Barring injury, he's your man. Imagine the feel good factor too. Champ.

That's the problem though, not many clubs are going to appoint a player who has been out as long as he has. No-one, Wallace included. knows for certainty if he will be playing past the first month of the season, how can you nominate a player in that boat Captain? No club would take that risk, I would also say it is unfair pressure on him when he has enough on his plate to concentrate on.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

The more I contemplate it, the more I realise how disappointed I'll be if Newman gets it. Servicable player, yes. But hardly inspiring. We've had four years of "steadying the ship" with Johnson. Time to start creating some new legends.

Not all Captains are inspiring, obviously any club would want a Riccutio, Buckley, Hird, Carey, Voss. Kelly, etc. The reality is not all clubs have them at all times.

We have been bemoaning not having decent leaders for years and all of a sudden now Suger steps down people want to heap it on a kid because...it's his time, we need to start making legends, we need a awe insipiring leader on the field...

Suger was not only a steady influence, he was a torniquet for a club bleeding in leadership badly and was recruited for such (which a lot overlook). This appointment will be more a steady influence by promoting a younger generation as we develop our A grade (for the first time in years) junior talent in true leaders. Only Carey, Cousins or Voss was the same age or younger than Lids, most/all other big names where older and Lids has shown less than them as good as he is. Lids simply isn't ready, I think he could very well be Captain material. Not now though.

As I said earlier, Hawthorn did the same thing, we don't need to imitate them because they did it, we need to follow that model because it's the commonsense one. You don't take risks with your leadership appointments (appointing injured, 21yr olds etc, unless you have a exceptional case)

 

[Harry]

Yep - The Folster.

 

[benny_furs]

There was an article about two months ago where the reporter said something like 'Deledio's a bit of a quiet boy' so we are not going by much when we keep talking about him being introverted. He could have been nervous for his first big article in a couple of years and probably going through all his newly learnt media tricks in his mind.

We are judging Deledio's character too strongly against a throw away line in one article. I didn't question it at first, I guess sometimes I believe that PRE posters are usually quite accurate. Now that I think about it, I have probably read more stories about Lids being the centre of attention than that one line in the article.

Maybe Lids really has got the leadership qualities in him to be captain.

We have our doubts, but I'm not convinced they're entirely fair.

 

[McMurphy]

I believe that there's only one choice and that's Foley. He ticks all the boxes. There's too much doubt over players like Newman and Deledio.

Axel for skip!

(and let him keep his number, it's part of who he is. The no17 thing is a bit over the top)

 

[pahoffm]

To reiterate the key factors of Transformational Leadership:

1. Building trust.

2. Acting with Integrity

3. Inspiring others

4. Encouraging Innovative Thinking

5. Awareness of others as Individuals.

with a fair smattering of

6. Recognising achievement.

 

[McMurphy]

7. Having a red hot go at the footy.

 

[Opulentus Tigris]

7. Having a red hot go at the footy.

I think that apllies to all players....or at least it should.