Who should play full forward?

[Tubytiger]

You could say that this year is a watershed year for Sarge, it could go one way or another. 

Cheers Pharace,
Even as Sarge's proud president I don't have the blinkers on. There's little doubt most would expect a marked improvement this year. TW and the Coaching staff would be a the front of that queue(Claw might bump them outa the way :hihi).
4 senior matches last year doesn't give him a lot to hang his hat on(injured or not).
Something just tells me, given the opportunities, this kid's going to make it. I look forward to his season with great anticipation. For the good of the RFC I hope I'm not disappointed.

I'm with you on this one all the way ToO. I think we've both been on the same road re Sarge from early on. Given a go, a fair go, he could bust games open this year.

 

[the claw]

You could say that this year is a watershed year for Sarge, it could go one way or another. 

Cheers Pharace,
Even as Sarge's proud president I don't have the blinkers on. There's little doubt most would expect a marked improvement this year. TW and the Coaching staff would be a the front of that queue(Claw might bump them outa the way :hihi).
4 senior matches last year doesn't give him a lot to hang his hat on(injured or not).
Something just tells me, given the opportunities, this kid's going to make it. I look forward to his season with great anticipation. For the good of the RFC I hope I'm not disappointed.

I'm with you on this one all the way ToO. I think we've both been on the same road re Sarge from early on. Given a go, a fair go, he could bust games open this year.

did he string 4 or 5 good games together at coburg and demand a position in the seniors i dont think so.hes played 25 games has he strung 2 good ones together yet alone played one good one and demanded you have to keep me in the team i dont think so.hes had numerous opportunities to show hes good enough at both levels of the game and has not taken one of them.now make him scratch and claw his way into a game and make him realise its not just going to happen you have to work.
surely the onus is on schilz to show he can play good consistent footy not on wallace to hand out games to underperformers who have failed to grasp their opportunities.

 

[Tubytiger]

You could say that this year is a watershed year for Sarge, it could go one way or another. 

Cheers Pharace,
Even as Sarge's proud president I don't have the blinkers on. There's little doubt most would expect a marked improvement this year. TW and the Coaching staff would be a the front of that queue(Claw might bump them outa the way :hihi).
4 senior matches last year doesn't give him a lot to hang his hat on(injured or not).
Something just tells me, given the opportunities, this kid's going to make it. I look forward to his season with great anticipation. For the good of the RFC I hope I'm not disappointed.

I'm with you on this one all the way ToO. I think we've both been on the same road re Sarge from early on. Given a go, a fair go, he could bust games open this year.

did he string 4 or 5  good games together at coburg and demand a position in the seniors i dont think so.hes played 25 games has he strung 2 good ones together yet alone played one good one and demanded you have to keep me in the team i dont think so.hes had numerous opportunities to show hes good enough at both levels of the game and has not taken one of them.now make him scratch and claw his way into a game and make him realise its not just going to happen you have to work.
surely the onus is on schilz to show he can play good consistent footy not on wallace to hand out games to underperformers who have failed to grasp their opportunities.

I'm shattered by your comments claw :hihi :hihi If we go on your assumption mate we wont be fielding a side this year although we might just have a ok side down at the burgers mate.....

But i do think this year really is a make or break year for the big fella. He definitely has to show that he wants to get his hands dirty and play in the big league. But in saying that im confident that he can show the likes of yourself claw that he can be a integral part of the team. I just dont agree with where we look like playing him, thats all. Time will tell and as usual i will be the first to put my hand up and say i was wrong if my comments are wrong mate.

 

[The_General]

did he string 4 or 5  good games together at coburg and demand a position in the seniors i dont think so.hes played 25 games has he strung 2 good ones together yet alone played one good one and demanded you have to keep me in the team i dont think so.hes had numerous opportunities to show hes good enough at both levels of the game and has not taken one of them.now make him scratch and claw his way into a game and make him realise its not just going to happen you have to work.
surely the onus is on schilz to show he can play good consistent footy not on wallace to hand out games to underperformers who have failed to grasp their opportunities.

Claw, aren't you one of the guys who says we should get all the old duds back to Coburg and give the young guys a chance? Sarge is a young guy!
It's also well known that tall players tend to take longer to develop than normal midfielders etc. Given that we have a lack of depth, given that he's been in the program for some time, don't you think he should be put up to the seniors to show whether or not he finally cuts the mustard - especially since he is one of our "young brigade".

I agree with some of the things you've said in the past, but all I can say is thank god you're not the coach, because you don't seem to have a consistent philosophy on who to play and when to play them.

 

[lamb22]

At the beginning of last year Schulz was 19 and broke an ankle.  This is not a make or break year for Schulz.  Jay is a quality player - better than any KPP taken in the last 3 drafts.  If Richmond are stupid enough to trade him away he will star at some other club.

Claw's comments are typical of a Richmond feral.  A 17 or 18 year old kid shows promise in cameos while his dopey coach sits him on the pine for 3/4 of the game.  (Eg Does anyone remember his game in Melbourne at Testra Dome after his six goal haul against Brisbane.  He played 10 minutes at CHF and spent most of the rest of the night on the pine. )

Then when a coach doesn't play a kid the ferals yell out - "He hasn't come on - he's a dud (while still maintaining that a 25 year old dinosaur from WA who has played a handful of games is a player :"  Claw is pumping Pattison's tyres who in reality has done SFA and has not got one tenth of Jay's natural ability and who will be 20 himself in 6 weeks time - IS IT MAKE OR BRAKE for Patto as well???  For GAWD's sake Schulz has probably played about 12 full games in total game time.  Give me a break!!

TW could have played Jay more in the second half of last year and didn't - That is a coach's prerogative.  Trying to intill a hunger or more discipline or more intensity - TW's call and in the long run may have been the right way to go.  Also playing him at CHB - TW's prerogative - rather him at CHF but hey it might teach him a bit about the position (remember that Carey played a lot of his junior footy as a CHB).

IMO we would have beaten the doggies with Jay up forward rather than Inspector (Kel Moore)Clousea.

And to Pharace who suggested Jay was ordinary in round 21, I respectfully disagree - he spent the first half whooping Franklin's a$$ until he got his sternum studded and then amazingly came back on and won us the game at FF in the last 15 minutes.  We also would have beaten the Cats if Jay was FF in the last quarter.

Now I am as impatient as everyone else for Jay to seriously get going, but dont blame the kid if his coach plays him on the pine or in the twos or he misses half a season because he breaks his ankle.  Give him game time and he will deliver!!

The Sheep has spoken!

Or in the words of Bomber Thompson  "LEAVE HIM ALONE - ALL OF YOU (ESPECIALLY THE TALONED ONE )

PS - BTW this is Schulz's fourth season. Of the three seasons he could have played - he has missed close to a season through injury. Of the remaing two seasons played mainly as an 18/19 year old he has delivered more glimpses and highlights than similar aged playersand that's while being straightjacketed to a few minutres here and there on the ground by our former coach Dudley Do-right.

There's conventional wisdom and then there's reality and they're rarely the same thing!!

 

[Tigers of Old]

Then when a coach doesn't play a kid the ferals yell out - "He hasn't come on - he's a dud (while still maintaining that a 25 year old dinosaur from WA who has played a handful of games is a player :" Claw is pumping Pattison's tyres who in reality has done SFA and has not got one tenth of Jay's natural ability and who will be 20 himself in 6 weeks time - IS IT MAKE OR BRAKE for Patto as well??? For GAWD's sake Schulz has probably played about 12 full games in total game time. Give me a break!!

Bloody fantastic post Lamby!!! :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

 

[Tubytiger]

At the beginning of last year Schulz was 19 and broke an ankle. This is not a make or break year for Schulz. Jay is a quality player - better than any KPP taken in the last 3 drafts. If Richmond are stupid enough to trade him away he will star at some other club.

Claw's comments are typical of a Richmond feral. A 17 or 18 year old kid shows promise in cameos while his dopey coach sits him on the pine for 3/4 of the game. (Eg Does anyone remember his game in Melbourne at Testra Dome after his six goal haul against Brisbane. He played 10 minutes at CHF and spent most of the rest of the night on the pine. )

Then when a coach doesn't play a kid the ferals yell out - "He hasn't come on - he's a dud (while still maintaining that a 25 year old dinosaur from WA who has played a handful of games is a player :" Claw is pumping Pattison's tyres who in reality has done SFA and has not got one tenth of Jay's natural ability and who will be 20 himself in 6 weeks time - IS IT MAKE OR BRAKE for Patto as well??? For GAWD's sake Schulz has probably played about 12 full games in total game time. Give me a break!!

TW could have played Jay more in the second half of last year and didn't - That is a coach's prerogative. Trying to intill a hunger or more discipline or more intensity - TW's call and in the long run may have been the right way to go. Also playing him at CHB - TW's prerogative - rather him at CHF but hey it might teach him a bit about the position (remember that Carey played a lot of his junior footy as a CHB).

IMO we would have beaten the doggies with Jay up forward rather than Inspector (Kel Moore)Clousea.

And to Pharace who suggested Jay was ordinary in round 21, I respectfully disagree - he spent the first half whooping Franklin's a$$ until he got his sternum studded and then amazingly came back on and won us the game at FF in the last 15 minutes. We also would have beaten the Cats if Jay was FF in the last quarter.

Now I am as impatient as everyone else for Jay to seriously get going, but dont blame the kid if his coach plays him on the pine or in the twos or he misses half a season because he breaks his ankle. Give him game time and he will deliver!!

The Sheep has spoken!

Or in the words of Bomber Thompson "LEAVE HIM ALONE - ALL OF YOU (ESPECIALLY THE TALONED ONE )

PS - BTW this is Schulz's fourth season. Of the three seasons he could have played - he has missed close to a season through injury. Of the remaing two seasons played mainly as an 18/19 year old he has delivered more glimpses and highlights than similar aged playersand that's while being straightjacketed to a few minutres here and there on the ground by our former coach Dudley Do-right.

There's conventional wisdom and then there's reality and they're rarely the same thing!!

Gee, seem to of hit a raw nerve with saying that this is a make or break year for the big fella. Well, im not backing down from my comments mate - he has to show something this year imo and im sure he will. Dont get me wrong, im a big supporter of his but im not going down the path of the past and holding on to players cause they show potential.

I just hope we finish up playing him in his right position.

 

[Ghost Who Walks]

At the beginning of last year Schulz was 19 and broke an ankle.  This is not a make or break year for Schulz.  Jay is a quality player - better than any KPP taken in the last 3 drafts.  If Richmond are stupid enough to trade him away he will star at some other club.

Claw's comments are typical of a Richmond feral.  A 17 or 18 year old kid shows promise in cameos while his dopey coach sits him on the pine for 3/4 of the game.  (Eg Does anyone remember his game in Melbourne at Testra Dome after his six goal haul against Brisbane.  He played 10 minutes at CHF and spent most of the rest of the night on the pine. )

Then when a coach doesn't play a kid the ferals yell out - "He hasn't come on - he's a dud (while still maintaining that a 25 year old dinosaur from WA who has played a handful of games is a player :"  Claw is pumping Pattison's tyres who in reality has done SFA and has not got one tenth of Jay's natural ability and who will be 20 himself in 6 weeks time - IS IT MAKE OR BRAKE for Patto as well???  For GAWD's sake Schulz has probably played about 12 full games in total game time.  Give me a break!!

TW could have played Jay more in the second half of last year and didn't - That is a coach's prerogative.  Trying to intill a hunger or more discipline or more intensity - TW's call and in the long run may have been the right way to go.  Also playing him at CHB - TW's prerogative - rather him at CHF but hey it might teach him a bit about the position (remember that Carey played a lot of his junior footy as a CHB).

IMO we would have beaten the doggies with Jay up forward rather than Inspector (Kel Moore)Clousea.

And to Pharace who suggested Jay was ordinary in round 21, I respectfully disagree - he spent the first half whooping Franklin's a$$ until he got his sternum studded and then amazingly came back on and won us the game at FF in the last 15 minutes.  We also would have beaten the Cats if Jay was FF in the last quarter.

Now I am as impatient as everyone else for Jay to seriously get going, but dont blame the kid if his coach plays him on the pine or in the twos or he misses half a season because he breaks his ankle.  Give him game time and he will deliver!!

The Sheep has spoken!

Or in the words of Bomber Thompson  "LEAVE HIM ALONE - ALL OF YOU (ESPECIALLY THE TALONED ONE )

PS - BTW this is Schulz's fourth season.  Of the three seasons he could have played - he has missed close to a season through injury.  Of the remaing two seasons played mainly as an 18/19 year old he has delivered more glimpses and highlights than similar aged playersand that's while being straightjacketed to a few minutres here and there on the ground by our former coach Dudley Do-right.

There's conventional wisdom and then there's reality and they're rarely the same thing!!

The days of keeping players on the list for potential belong in the history books, Richmond has done this for the last 25 years and look at how successful we have been.

The only way a player is kept on the list is to perform, no other job pays on potential you either perform or you are out the door.

Jay has to perform this year, if he does not then he should be traded or delisted.

Far too long RFC has taken a softly, softly approach or overpaid on potential to its players, it now has to play hard ball.

 

[Tigers of Old]

As I've said before he doesn't need to star but he needs to show substantial improvement this year or he will come under scrutiny at seasons end.

 

[Hayfever]

At the beginning of last year Schulz was 19 and broke an ankle.  This is not a make or break year for Schulz.  Jay is a quality player - better than any KPP taken in the last 3 drafts.  If Richmond are stupid enough to trade him away he will star at some other club.

Claw's comments are typical of a Richmond feral.  A 17 or 18 year old kid shows promise in cameos while his dopey coach sits him on the pine for 3/4 of the game.  (Eg Does anyone remember his game in Melbourne at Testra Dome after his six goal haul against Brisbane.  He played 10 minutes at CHF and spent most of the rest of the night on the pine. )

Then when a coach doesn't play a kid the ferals yell out - "He hasn't come on - he's a dud (while still maintaining that a 25 year old dinosaur from WA who has played a handful of games is a player :"  Claw is pumping Pattison's tyres who in reality has done SFA and has not got one tenth of Jay's natural ability and who will be 20 himself in 6 weeks time - IS IT MAKE OR BRAKE for Patto as well???  For GAWD's sake Schulz has probably played about 12 full games in total game time.  Give me a break!!

TW could have played Jay more in the second half of last year and didn't - That is a coach's prerogative.  Trying to intill a hunger or more discipline or more intensity - TW's call and in the long run may have been the right way to go.  Also playing him at CHB - TW's prerogative - rather him at CHF but hey it might teach him a bit about the position (remember that Carey played a lot of his junior footy as a CHB).

IMO we would have beaten the doggies with Jay up forward rather than Inspector (Kel Moore)Clousea.

And to Pharace who suggested Jay was ordinary in round 21, I respectfully disagree - he spent the first half whooping Franklin's a$$ until he got his sternum studded and then amazingly came back on and won us the game at FF in the last 15 minutes.  We also would have beaten the Cats if Jay was FF in the last quarter.

Now I am as impatient as everyone else for Jay to seriously get going, but dont blame the kid if his coach plays him on the pine or in the twos or he misses half a season because he breaks his ankle.  Give him game time and he will deliver!!

The Sheep has spoken!

Or in the words of Bomber Thompson  "LEAVE HIM ALONE - ALL OF YOU (ESPECIALLY THE TALONED ONE )

PS - BTW this is Schulz's fourth season.  Of the three seasons he could have played - he has missed close to a season through injury.  Of the remaing two seasons played mainly as an 18/19 year old he has delivered more glimpses and highlights than similar aged playersand that's while being straightjacketed to a few minutres here and there on the ground by our former coach Dudley Do-right.

There's conventional wisdom and then there's reality and they're rarely the same thing!!

I happen to agree with everything you say above Baa Baa....... but I can also understand where others are coming from.

Not much has gone right with Schulz so far, some of it his own fault and the rest just bad luck. I do like the way Wallace has handled him and it seems the big fella is now responding well to our new coaching regime.

He showed me in one of those final games last year just what he offers RFC. In fact I had to blink several times to make sure it was "the Serg". What he offers(potentially, and yet to be proven) is youth, size, brute strength, agility, aerial and on-the-deck competitiveness, and goal scoring potency.

In 2006 our team has the chance to make the top 8 but will not be a serious threat unless we can start averaging at least 16 goals a game. The only way I can see this happening is if we develop a 3-pronged attack based around Richo, Schulz and Brown and they remain relatively injury-free.

I find it ironic you are CEO of the Schulz/Pettifer faction yet are so negative towards Chaffey. If Jay and Kane worked as hard as the Chaffster and play over 150 games for the Tiges then we should all be happy. We know they have the ability so let's hope in 2006 they get to display it consistently.     

 

[lamb22]

I find it ironic you are CEO of the Schulz/Pettifer faction yet are so negative towards Chaffey. If Jay and Kane worked as hard as the Chaffster and play over 150 games for the Tiges then we should all be happy. We know they have the ability so let's hope in 2006 they get to display it consistently.     

I like to support the underdog and the unfairly maligned, but the Chaffster is too far gone to be within my jurisdiction. Maybe a budget exorcist is available. Having said that you cant fault Chaffey for preparation or courage. I would almost say effort but the memories of Chaffey jogging after his BOG opponent week in week out are still vivid in my memory. Finally it's not Mark's fault he keeps getting picked.

Re Schulz I just hope he gets a decent run although I have a feeling his body will suffer the occassional injury the way he throws himself into contests. I also am happy with the way TW is handling him. Obviously needed to show him something in the twos, but when he got a run it was a fair dinkum job he was given ie CHB or FF. TW did the same with Thursty Will which can only accelerate your learning time.

 

[Hayfever]

I find it ironic you are CEO of the Schulz/Pettifer faction yet are so negative towards Chaffey. If Jay and Kane worked as hard as the Chaffster and play over 150 games for the Tiges then we should all be happy. We know they have the ability so let's hope in 2006 they get to display it consistently.     

I like to support the underdog and the unfairly maligned, but the Chaffster is too far gone to be within my jurisdiction.  Maybe a budget  exorcist is available.  Having said that you cant fault Chaffey for preparation or courage.  I would almost say effort but  the memories of Chaffey jogging after his BOG opponent week in week out are still vivid in my memory.  Finally it's not Mark's fault he keeps getting picked.

Re Schulz I just hope he gets a decent run although I have a feeling his body will suffer the occassional injury the way he throws himself into contests.  I also am happy with the way TW is handling him.  Obviously needed to show him something in the twos, but when he got a run it was a fair dinkum job he was given ie CHB or FF. TW did the same with Thursty Will which can only accelerate your learning time.

The first game I saw Chaffey play live was at the SCG a few years back. I was seated at the Southern end behind the goals and could see the defensive lines they were running. He had a superb game that day and I've watched him closely ever since. Yes, there have been times since when he has looked like a "cab chaser" but in fairness it has usually been when our whole defensive unit was getting flogged. It was interesting last year when Wallace ear-marked him for a tagger role. I think it indicated 2 things....... one we had very few other choices  and secondly, he knew Chaff would give it all he had. That's why I like players like him. Nothing cheeses me off more than players who have ability but lack the temperament to deliver it. Pettifer is a classic example. He needs to control himself better instead of cursing and flagellating himself whenever he stuffs up.

Re Schulz getting injured. With a proper pre-season under his belt he will be much better prepared. What he needs is plenty of tough game time early to become sound and match-hardened.  Here's hoping Serg has a great year  olice:

 

[TigerMasochist]

I'm happy to back the searge in for 06, with one proviso.
Injuries.
If Jay can get a crack this season without copping a major injury like he did last year then I think he can rip a big hole in some games.
Would prefer to see him forward and don't think he is yet ready to become a reliable and consistent player but do believe with a bit of game time he can put in some big destructive bursts against the opposition backlines.

 

[skiptomystu]

I honestly believe Schulzy will be the biggest improver for us this year, including Deledio or Tambling. I think he should be played Forward and he showed why in that game against Hawthorn in Round 21. Played very well that day.

 

[the claw]

At the beginning of last year Schulz was 19 and broke an ankle.  This is not a make or break year for Schulz.  Jay is a quality player - better than any KPP taken in the last 3 drafts.  If Richmond are stupid enough to trade him away he will star at some other club.

Claw's comments are typical of a Richmond feral.  A 17 or 18 year old kid shows promise in cameos while his dopey coach sits him on the pine for 3/4 of the game.  (Eg Does anyone remember his game in Melbourne at Testra Dome after his six goal haul against Brisbane.  He played 10 minutes at CHF and spent most of the rest of the night on the pine. )

Then when a coach doesn't play a kid the ferals yell out - "He hasn't come on - he's a dud (while still maintaining that a 25 year old dinosaur from WA who has played a handful of games is a player :"  Claw is pumping Pattison's tyres who in reality has done SFA and has not got one tenth of Jay's natural ability and who will be 20 himself in 6 weeks time - IS IT MAKE OR BRAKE for Patto as well???  For GAWD's sake Schulz has probably played about 12 full games in total game time.  Give me a break!!

TW could have played Jay more in the second half of last year and didn't - That is a coach's prerogative.  Trying to intill a hunger or more discipline or more intensity - TW's call and in the long run may have been the right way to go.  Also playing him at CHB - TW's prerogative - rather him at CHF but hey it might teach him a bit about the position (remember that Carey played a lot of his junior footy as a CHB).

IMO we would have beaten the doggies with Jay up forward rather than Inspector (Kel Moore)Clousea.

And to Pharace who suggested Jay was ordinary in round 21, I respectfully disagree - he spent the first half whooping Franklin's a$$ until he got his sternum studded and then amazingly came back on and won us the game at FF in the last 15 minutes.  We also would have beaten the Cats if Jay was FF in the last quarter.

Now I am as impatient as everyone else for Jay to seriously get going, but dont blame the kid if his coach plays him on the pine or in the twos or he misses half a season because he breaks his ankle.  Give him game time and he will deliver!!

The Sheep has spoken!

Or in the words of Bomber Thompson  "LEAVE HIM ALONE - ALL OF YOU (ESPECIALLY THE TALONED ONE )

PS - BTW this is Schulz's fourth season.  Of the three seasons he could have played - he has missed close to a season through injury.  Of the remaing two seasons played mainly as an 18/19 year old he has delivered more glimpses and highlights than similar aged playersand that's while being straightjacketed to a few minutres here and there on the ground by our former coach Dudley Do-right.

There's conventional wisdom and then there's reality and they're rarely the same thing!!

a very good play on words and the situation as it really is. nothing unusual for you lamsy is it.after reading that long winded and erronous defense of schulzy i must admit im bemused.you conveniently overlook the biggest criticism and thats the fact he has failed miserably to string good games together and thats not just at richmond its very true at coburg as well. 3yrs and hes failed to string 2 good games together to me thats a *smile* poor effort and not good enough .you conveniently throw pattison into the debate to some how show me upand shows how desperate you are when you compare a 1st yr player against a 3rd yr player.but im glad you did bring him up.pattison in his first yr has shown more than schulz at coburg thus his elevation above schulz by wallace.its not a good sign when a raw 1st yr player shows more and is more consistent than a player whos been in the system 3 or 4 yrs..
as for wallace not playing him in the second half of the yr the answer is simple HE DID NOT  PERFORM AT COBURG.we are screaming out for kpp do you really think wallace wouldnt play him if he was deserving.
as for pumping pattisons tyres let me say you have no *smile* idea whose tyres im pumping.i have grave concerns about pattison and am critical of the pick we used to get him just as i do for schulz.
and finally i have not bagged schulz i have stated from what ive seen of him he has deficiencies and because of these i dont think he will make it. its just an opinion.the only real criticism i have levelled at schulz is his lack of consistency not just week to week but during games as well.
one thing i will agree on is hes given us glimpses of talent but ffs even i could take the odd speccy or kick the odd goal out of my arse in anybodys langyage the odd glimpse is not good enough for asomeone whos been in the system since 02.and finally the only youngsters ive been openly critical of at the club are schulz and krakouer in krakouers case i admit its become bagging.actually there are some striking similarities between schulzs career and krakouers.
and lastly have isaid that before somewhere i will leave schulzy alone pretty much again this yr mainly because of the glimpses he gives but the gap between his good really does have to improve dramatically along with the weekly consistency.

 

[skiptomystu]

WOW!!! A positive post by Claw!