Why do our players continually fail to develop?

[tigertim]

Why does just about every player we've picked in the last 10 years fail to develop into quality AFL players?

Why has ( from the current list) Raines, Polo, McGuane, Oakley Nicholls, Jackson, Schulz, Pattison, Tambling, Hughes, Graham and King failed to develop?

Why is it that I see Jack Riewoldt, Shane Edwards, Matthew White, David Gourdis just to name a few heading down the same path?

Then there's the plethora of players we've drafted that we've moved on that also failed to develop ( dont have time to list them all!)

Our players seem to reach a "5 or 6 out of ten" level then never progress, why? Why does a Brett Deledio fail to become the quality AFL player he should be? It's been 5 years now! Come on, no more "he's just a youngster".

You would think that just plain dumb luck would provide us with a blue chip AFL player, Cotchin may end up being it but history doesn't auger well for him!

Is it our lack of development, is it culture, is it we continually draft the "wrong" player, is that they never develop because they continually play in a losing side?

 

[IanG]

Why does just about every player we've picked in the last 10 years fail to develop into quality AFL players?

Why has ( from the current list) Raines, Polo, McGuane, Oakley Nicholls, Jackson, Schulz, Pattison, Tambling, Hughes, Graham and King failed to develop?

Why is it that I see Jack Riewoldt, Shane Edwards, Matthew White, David Gourdis just to name a few heading down the same path?

If you think Raines, McGuane Pattison and even Jackson have failed to develop then you haven't been watching for the last 5 years. Jackson probably won;t make it but he's developed a long way from what he was 5 years ago. Reiwoldt and White are developing fine, Edwards would be if he was played in the right position.

 

[Rosy]

Matty White would be right up there in our B&F at this stage. For what Terry describes as almost a rookie pick Matty is developing well.

Jacko has developed into a specific role.

Jack has developed imo. He's better this year than last year and he's still young and immature.

Raines has bad luck with injuries so it's a bit harsh to judge his lack of development.

I thought Lukey was in our best yesterday and is developing ok.

Most of the names mentioned weren't ever expected to be 10 out of 10 players. Very few players are. Some are huge concerns but some are servicable.

I think culture does have an efffect on player development as well as the coaching influence in regard to body type, game plan etc. Our players certainly look light bodied compared to other teams. Terry apparently drafts for pace but that's not much use when we so often chip it backwards at the defensive end of the ground.

So many

 

[BladeTiger]

Why does just about every player we've picked in the last 10 years fail to develop into quality AFL players?

Why has ( from the current list) Raines, Polo, McGuane, Oakley Nicholls, Jackson, Schulz, Pattison, Tambling, Hughes, Graham and King failed to develop?

Why is it that I see Jack Riewoldt, Shane Edwards, Matthew White, David Gourdis just to name a few heading down the same path?

Then there's the plethora of players we've drafted that we've moved on that also failed to develop ( dont have time to list them all!)

Our players seem to reach a "5 or 6 out of ten" level then never progress, why?  Why does a Brett Deledio fail to become the quality AFL player he should be? It's been 5 years now! Come on, no more "he's just a youngster".

You would think that just plain dumb luck would provide us with a blue chip AFL player, Cotchin may end up being it but history doesn't auger well for him!

Is it our lack of development, is it culture, is it we continually draft the "wrong" player, is that they never develop because they continually play in a losing side?

I think you're on the right path but it is the lack of progression of first round draft picks that is the real worry. Deledio, Tambling, JON, Schulz, Pettifer, Meyer, Pattison and Polo are our most recent from memory and not a single matchwinner among them - we still rely far too much on Richo. Agree Deledio is probably the best out of that lot, but how many times does he go missing when the heat is on and surface when the match is already lost. We used to criticise a former #32 for this type of game...

Edit: special mention to Jack Riewoldt who also seems to be unable to really have an impact on games. I think we would be better served with him developing in the VFL and dominating there.

 

[tigertim]

If you think Raines, McGuane Pattison and even Jackson have failed to develop then you haven't been watching for the last 5 years. Jackson probably won;t make it but he's developed a long way from what he was 5 years ago. Reiwoldt and White are developing fine, Edwards would be if he was played in the right position.

Well Ian there's natural "development" and there's progression development. Yes Raines, McGuane are better players in 2009 than they were in 2004, obviously. But they haven't developed into very good AFL players.

Pattison has developed? Explain to me how please Ian. I really worry about Jack. He just doesn't do enough. He "looks" like he may be damaging but doesn't damage. Yes I know he's only in his 3rd season but I do worry, I see him stagnating.

Whitey I really like but again i worry. I love his pace and run but his kicking keeps letting him down. It's not developing enough to quality AFL standard.

 

[Disco08]

White's kicking is at least league average.

 

[Rosy]

Whitey I really like but again i worry. I love his pace and run but his kicking keeps letting him down. It's not developing enough to quality AFL standard.

I noticed 1 stuffed up kick, and 1 poor handball where there was no option presenting to receive from him. Matty is credited with 2 clangers from 21 possessions with an 86% efficiency ranking. He was our only multiple goal kicker slottign 2 through that we've seen others miss more times than we'd care to remember. He also had 4 marks, 4 clearances and 3 tackles. Maybe not Brownlow medal form but certainly servicable AFL standard.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

I noticed 1 stuffed up kick, and 1 poor handball where there was no option presenting to receive from him. Matty is credited with 2 clangers from 21 possessions with an 86% efficiency ranking. He was our only multiple goal kicker slottign 2 through that we've seen others miss more times than we'd care to remember. He also had 4 marks, 4 clearances and 3 tackles. Maybe not Brownlow medal form but certainly servicable AFL standard.

and has been all year. Matty is probably our only player who has good form in 09 unless Nathan Brown's cheap possessions across half back excite people.

 

[Disco08]

Richo Col.

 

[BladeTiger]

Maybe we should start a "save Alex Rance from mediocrity" campaign - I'm very scared for the boy and he was the only player I enjoyed watching yesterday.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Richo Col.

mmmm, your right, he does have career best disposal and mark averages, although his goal kicking is down http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-richmond-tigers--matthew-richardson

You could however argue that Richo is no longer a Richmond player but has evolved in some halfman-halfgod reverse aging super being

 

[the claw]

White's kicking is at least league average.

i disagree. i will say though the first 3 games has seen a dramatic decrease in his clangers. still does not make him a good kick

why dont our kids impove. the simple fact is we pick kids with deficiencies that cannot be improved mostof them have more than one deficiency.

 

[Disco08]

i disagree. i will say though the first 3 games has seen a dramatic decrease in his clangers. still does not make him a good kick

If you can't judge a players kicking by its effectiveness how do you judge it claw? By their action? White's action seems fine to me. By their decision making maybe? Again, White seems at least average in this department.

 

[jb03]

White may or may not be a good kick but he is at least in front of a dozen others.

 

[IanG]

Well Ian there's natural "development" and there's progression development. Yes Raines, McGuane are better players in 2009 than they were in 2004, obviously. But they haven't developed into very good AFL players.

Pattison has developed? Explain to me how please Ian. I really worry about Jack. He just doesn't do enough. He "looks" like he may be damaging but doesn't damage. Yes I know he's only in his 3rd season but I do worry, I see him stagnating.

Whitey I really like but again i worry. I love his pace and run but his kicking keeps letting him down. It's not developing enough to quality AFL standard.

None of those players, perhaps with the exception of Raines (who lost a year due to injury), are at the age where they would be expected to be very good AFL players, however their development has been on an upward curve all their careers. Jack still needs to put a lot of weight on but has improved his speed. Like I've said before he is the best performed young Key position forward taken since 1995.