Why have we been the worst club in the league for 25 years?

[TIGEREXTRA]

The club is cursed, plain and simple.

Yes we have failed miserably in all those departments but to have them repeated over and over for 25 years...........................

The wheel always turns but when it does at punt rd it just runs over us.

 

[Tigerhart04]

The club is cursed, plain and simple.

Yes we have failed miserably in all those departments but to have them repeated over and over for 25 years...........................

The wheel always turns but when it does at punt rd it just runs over us.

Yep, I think we've had the"bone" pointed at us. 25 years of the same crap. Can't blame the players, coaches, administration, AFL/VFL, they've all changed many times in a quarter of a century.

Must be a curse, just wish we could find the source and send the "charmed" ones in to fix it.

 

[Tango]

the club is soft off the field and has been led by the senior players for years
the coaching staff are soft
the senior players are soft

the entire club lacks hardness

 

[Tigerhart04]

the club is soft off the field and has been led by the senior players for years
the coaching staff are soft
the senior players are soft

the entire club lacks hardness

Agreed, but does the solution it start with the administration or players? I think we need a few hard nuts on the field and a few tough calls to be made in the coaches box. Admin side is reasonable, hey we've got over 30,000 members, there is a little money in the bank and Crazy John wants a big input next year.

Far too many outside players, which looks great when the running game plan is working, but until we are skilled enough for that, we need to go back to the basics and tough it out man on man. Then develop a few of these nuts into the swift game plan Plough loves so much.

Coach wise, I think Terry has the right long term plan, but as everyone else has stated on this forum before (and himself probably privately), he misjudged the ability of the majority on our list, and we're basically building from nothing, a brand new club so to speak.

Most of the current seniors won't be around in two years, so there is plenty more pain in store as far as win/loss ratio goes with just kids. But the point is, that over the next couple of draft periods, we need to get some tough in and under players, a couple of big defenders, and a game plan that doesn't include Richo. He'll hate it and spit the dummy big time, but the club has to be bigger than the man, and that includes Richo.

As Dean Hart Northey mentioned on another post Tough decisions need to be made and made now. Let's not wait until the end of the year, time to act.

 

[Puntrd64]

You could have added "Presidents" to your list. Strong leadership starts at the top and radiates down. The adminstration historically looks weak as does the selection of coaches and recruiting. Richmond really need some hard nosed B's to run the Club, not spin doctors and nice guys. (Look at how Sheedy stole Mal Michael from Brisbane).

 

[geoffryprettyboy]

Absolute pathetic.

 

[ToraToraTora]

Supporters. LMFAO.

 

[Spirit of Jack]

Well its pretty clear from the supporters viewpoint.

Over to you Gary March. Work your butt off to start improving our DRAFTING and PLAYER DEVELOPMENT now.

We dont need a tweak here or there, we need quantum level improvement to ensure we become the best in the AFL rather than the worst.

 

[mb64]

Well its pretty clear from the supporters viewpoint.

Over to you Gary March. Work your butt off to start improving our DRAFTING and PLAYER DEVELOPMENT now.

We dont need a tweak here or there, we need quantum level improvement to ensure we become the best in the AFL rather than the worst.

The overhaul of the recruiting dept must be top priority.Haven't seen any updates on who will lead this area apart from Melb guy.

 

[Zoso]

Supporters. LMFAO.

Lol.

 

[mopsy fraser]

our support can`t be blamed,it has been brilliant.
as someone else pointed out,fitzroy,who haven`t been in existence for over a decade still lead us in finals appearances over the past 25 years.how embarrassing.
add to the fact we are stone motherless last this year and we still drew 70,000 v the pies and 60,000 against both carlton and essendon and have broke our membership record to get 30,000.
it defies logic how loyal we are.

finances and facilities can`t be blamed either,north were the team of the 90`s with the worst facilities and finances in the league.

disgraceful mis-management starting in the 80`s is when it all started to go wrong.
losing champions like raines, and cloke,then in turn "getting back" at collingwood by paying them all our money for crap players which meant we had a) a crap team and b) no money.
as graeme richmond said,the administration at richmond in the 80`s has a lot to answer for.i presume he includes himself in that.

then in the 90`s we started to recover, and by 2001 we had almost turned things around, when poor list management and drafting by frawley, combined with disgraceful mis-management again by casey put us back to square one. no money and a crap team.

terry wallace was the man who was handed the keys to the train wreck and he knows it`s going to take a long time to rectify things.
that`s why he came out at the start of the season and told us that it`s going to take until 2009 for us to have any opportunity for success, and until 2011 to fill the gaps in our list due to the shocking mis-management of it during "the frawley years".
a lot of people said it was just more spin from terry.
but in reality he was spot on.
i think we all have to listen to our coach and face the reality of what he told us.

 

[Rosy]

terry wallace was the man who was handed the keys to the train wreck and he knows it`s going to take a long time to rectify things.
that`s why he came out at the start of the season and told  us that it`s going to take until 2009 for us to have any opportunity for success, and until 2011 to fill the gaps in our list due to the shocking mis-management of it during "the frawley years".
a lot of people said it was just more spin from terry.
but in reality he was spot on.
i think we all have to listen to our coach and face the reality of what he told us.

We were originally told 2007 would be the year we'd be a real premiership threat.  The goal posts keep being moved.  If Terry believed it would take until 2011 why did he re-sign and then delist Gas and why did he sign Kent?  I get the feeling things aren't going anywhere near as well as Terry envisaged and the results back that up.  We've slipped rather than improved during his 3 year tenure.  Can't blame "The Frawley Years" forever..we should be gradually improving yet we're going backwards.

Edit: Diggles and Laff stop luring me into your trap.

 

[Ruthless Tigers ?]

Rosy!!!

That would be as close to a negative I have ever read from you :hihi

Tough Times Tough Decisions

 

[the claw]

where the hell is the all of the above option. i will say it again though recruiting and list management are a footy clubs life blood.

 

[pahoffm]

Management

Don't think we've been well managed since the mid to late-70s.

From poor management secondary consequences such as poor drafting, junior development, finances, amongst others have occured.

We have some good management now & we are on the right track.

On-field matters, on the surface, aren't at their best but they are improving.
We're seeing the best junior development program at the club since the early 90s.
It may end up better. Hope so.
Off-field matters have improved enormously in nearly every area.

Since 2004, we've a good administrative structure.
Since 2005, we've a good coaching structure.
Since 2006, we've a good recruiting structure.

All we need now is to give it time to grow.

 

[The_General]

Since 2004, we've a good administrative structure.
Since 2005, we've a good coaching structure.
Since 2006, we've a good recruiting structure.

I'd change item one to successful structure.
The other 2......who knows. Way to early to tell.

 

[pahoffm]

Since 2004, we've a good administrative structure.
Since 2005, we've a good coaching structure.
Since 2006, we've a good recruiting structure.

I'd change item one to successful structure.
The other 2......who knows. Way to early to tell.

From my perspective, regarding items 2 & 3, the structures are good.

They may not have evolved as yet to their best, but the structures allowing them to evolve are now good & sound.

 

[gustiger12]

I didn't vote finances because clubs like North and Footascray are travelling ok and they are poorer, lower profile in sponsorship attraction and have a far lower membership than us.

True Rosy but I think they employed far better fiscal management because of it. We tended to spend like a billion dollar corporation on a budget that could sustain the outgoings. We overpaid players for far too long.

I think this has now been rectified by the management principals put in place by Steven Wright and we will hopefully see the benefits now in a much improved recruitng structure and player facilities that will not break the bank.