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Why O' Why do we just Bomb it with NO VISION

Feb 25, 2007
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There’s one thing that has irked me for years and years and that’s bombing the ball in with no vision at all, can work if there’s 1 on 1 or 3 on 3, but when theirs 10 onto 3 or even 4 on 2 it rarely works and it happened on thurs especially in that last Qtr time after time...

You couldn’t see this on TV properly but the pies flooded back hard and in big numbers, the problem was everytime we brought the ball out beautifully from the backline and we reached just over the center square we found ourselves in a maze, 2nd guessing ourselves either by handballing to an almost stationary player sideways or backwards and getting into more trouble (think we can alleviate this problem when we can chip a short 15 meters to hold on to the ball or have our fwds run harder and present "outside the 50 meter arc" ala travis cloke and mark on the lead) the other was our players looking up and seeing black and white everywhere in our 50 meter arc, so what do we eventually do as theirs no options on the 50 meter line or just outside it we just bomb it deep in our fwd 50 time after time and they take it away time after time as they had double the numbers we had, too easy! Happened to many times for my liking...

You could see within the 50 meter arc or in simpler terms about 35 to 40 meters out from our goals that 10 to 12 players (min) flooding the area IE: setting up a zone wall, where this zone can be beaten and the bulldogs did this some years ago successfully, when the flood which it was more known then instructed there players to not bomb in the fwd 50 when looking up fwd and seeing a sea of opposition colours, they instructed some of their fwds to be on the fwd 50 arc, this ploy had midfielders knowing that if they kicked short they would have options which even though they marked 50 to 55 meters out they almost always after that chipped again in the fwd 50 to a marking player leading out to about 35 to 45 meters out from goal, this ploy by the dogs i remember time after time they found themselves shooting for goal, yes this can lead to missed shots from that distance but id rather that then bomb it to a 8 onto 2 or 3 contest and the opposition just take it away....

I was so frustrated i thought why on earth just bomb it deep into the fwd line when there’s a 3 onto 1 contest and sometimes more as mentioned above when the pies had up to 12 players flooding the fwd area....This is when footy smarts come into play because if a player chips in the fwd 50 onto a leading fwd 9 times out of 10 a fwd on the lead will beat his opponent with a mark on the chest or receive a free for too high or a push in the back, better odds passing to a leading player on the lead than just bombing it and hoping...

Ahh but im just a footy lover/observer what do i know? Leave it to the coaches to work it out :headscratch
 
AstuteTiger said:
There’s one thing that has irked me for years and years and that’s bombing the ball in with no vision at all, can work if there’s 1 on 1 or 3 on 3, but when theirs 10 onto 3 or even 4 on 2 it rarely works and it happened on thurs especially in that last Qtr time after time...

You couldn’t see this on TV properly but the pies flooded back hard and in big numbers, the problem was everytime we brought the ball out beautifully from the backline and we reached just over the center square we found ourselves in a maze, 2nd guessing ourselves either by handballing to an almost stationary player sideways or backwards and getting into more trouble (think we can alleviate this problem when we can chip a short 15 meters to hold on to the ball or have our fwds run harder and present "outside the 50 meter arc" ala travis cloke and mark on the lead) the other was our players looking up and seeing black and white everywhere in our 50 meter arc, so what do we eventually do as theirs no options on the 50 meter line or just outside it we just bomb it deep in our fwd 50 time after time and they take it away time after time as they had double the numbers we had, too easy! Happened to many times for my liking...

You could see within the 50 meter arc or in simpler terms about 35 to 40 meters out from our goals that 10 to 12 players (min) flooding the area IE: setting up a zone wall, where this zone can be beaten and the bulldogs did this some years ago successfully, when the flood which it was more known then instructed there players to not bomb in the fwd 50 when looking up fwd and seeing a sea of opposition colours, they instructed some of their fwds to be on the fwd 50 arc, this ploy had midfielders knowing that if they kicked short they would have options which even though they marked 50 to 55 meters out they almost always after that chipped again in the fwd 50 to a marking player leading out to about 35 to 45 meters out from goal, this ploy by the dogs i remember time after time they found themselves shooting for goal, yes this can lead to missed shots from that distance but id rather that then bomb it to a 8 onto 2 or 3 contest and the opposition just take it away....

I was so frustrated i thought why on earth just bomb it deep into the fwd line when there’s a 3 onto 1 contest and sometimes more as mentioned above when the pies had up to 12 players flooding the fwd area....This is when footy smarts come into play because if a player chips in the fwd 50 onto a leading fwd 9 times out of 10 a fwd on the lead will beat his opponent with a mark on the chest or receive a free for too high or a push in the back, better odds passing to a leading player on the lead than just bombing it and hoping...

Ahh but im just a footy lover/observer what do i know? Leave it to the coaches to work it out :headscratch

My take on this from Thursday night - and I was at the ground - was that we had nowhere near enough movement ahead of the ball, so, when the likes of lids or foley tried running the ball out of the backline, they quickly ran out of options. Or when the play was switched, there wasn't enough players running to positions where they could be an option 1-3 possessions down the track (and downfield!). I think the long kicking issue this is more symptomatic of not enough movement.

The bright-sider in me says that the lack of movement on thursday night was due to coaching instructions (ie. we're not going to start showing the competition how we plan on beating rolling zones until the real season begins). The darksider in me says that the lack of movement is a sign that nothing has really changed.

I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
 
Backbone said:
My take on this from Thursday night - and I was at the ground - was that we had nowhere near enough movement ahead of the ball, so, when the likes of lids or foley tried running the ball out of the backline, they quickly ran out of options. Or when the play was switched, there wasn't enough players running to positions where they could be an option 1-3 possessions down the track (and downfield!). I think the long kicking issue this is more symptomatic of not enough movement.

The bright-sider in me says that the lack of movement on thursday night was due to coaching instructions (ie. we're not going to start showing the competition how we plan on beating rolling zones until the real season begins). The darksider in me says that the lack of movement is a sign that nothing has really changed.

I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

I agree thats why i said why need players presenting outside of the 50 arc (ala travis cloke), this at least gives the midfielders options outside of the 50 meter arc as opposed to seeing no one and having to just bomb it in deep and then just have it swept away...

I agree also and i have heard TW say this about a week ago that we wouldnt be showing carlton our hand before rd 1...