Why we lost to Carlstink

[Tiger_Shark]

i felt there were several reasons we lost today including:

1. Team changes. King in for Will effectively meant our changes were Out: JON, McGuane In: King, Johnno. Seems odd to swap to tallish defenders for a small defender & mid size midfielder. Sarge shoulda come in!!!

2. Kicking for goal. Especially early we missed opportunites to put scoreboard pressure on them. and while Carlstink also missed some shots i felt our chances were more gettable. For a player of Browny's ability to get 0.6 is poor. At least should be 3.3 which could of made a difference. And the butchered handball in the last qtr when everyone was streaming forward cost us dearly. Bad game Browny, pull your finger out.

3. Matchups. I always thought Stevens & Carazzo could hurt us. In the 2nd half they set up the win and brought others into the game. Why we didn't tag, continue to tag, or swap tags on them was atrocious. Foley on Stevens was completely wrong and should have been aborted early in the 3rd qtr.

4. Look at the stats. We won most stats on the day well or if not broke even except for 3 areas, Contested Ball, Clangers & Inside 50's (see next 3 points).

5. Contested ball. We were well beaten here (especially in the 2nd half) which killed us. While i think our midfielders either need to do better or we need better people in there to get the job done, today i felt our Ruckman let us down. We clearly won the tap outs but with Ruckman jumping early and hitting the ground while getting the hitout any advantage was negated. The ball hardly ever went to advantage and simply became neutral. How can any midfielder read a tap out when they (ruckman) themselves don't know where its going. Learn the caper of Ruckwork please.

6. Clangers. We made some shockers and while so did Carlstink (they were 32-33) they made us pay more. We need to firstly reduce these and secondly hurt the opposition more when they stuff up.

7. Game plan. This is where Carlstink killed us. Simply they were direct and (in the 2nd half) we were indirect. We had plenty more of the pill but chipped it via the cape while Carlstink went direct though the centre and long. That is why they killed us with "Inside 50's". Why???????????? we play so much better going direct and taking on the opposition. please stop this and give our forwards a better chance.

there were positives today: Moore, Cleve, Mitch, Cotch, Jordo.

but also negatives: Patto, Simmo, Browny, Polak, Jack, Axel (on Stevens), Hyde, Rich, Richo (getting inj.).

I can't see finals at all (too many things need to go right & we're not good enough).

ITS TIME TO SEE WHO'S GONNA MAKE IT & WHO'S NOT!!!!!

 

[tigre garçon]

i felt there were several reasons we lost today including:

1. Team changes. King in for Will effectively meant our changes were Out: JON, McGuane In: King, Johnno. Seems odd to swap to tallish defenders for a small defender & mid size midfielder. Sarge shoulda come in!!!

2. Kicking for goal. Especially early we missed opportunites to put scoreboard pressure on them. and while Carlstink also missed some shots i felt our chances were more gettable. For a player of Browny's ability to get 0.6 is poor. At least should be 3.3 which could of made a difference. And the butchered handball in the last qtr when everyone was streaming forward cost us dearly. Bad game Browny, pull your finger out.

3. Matchups. I always thought Stevens & Carazzo could hurt us. In the 2nd half they set up the win and brought others into the game. Why we didn't tag, continue to tag, or swap tags on them was atrocious. Foley on Stevens was completely wrong and should have been aborted early in the 3rd qtr.

4. Look at the stats. We won most stats on the day well or if not broke even except for 3 areas, Contested Ball, Clangers & Inside 50's (see next 3 points).

5. Contested ball. We were well beaten here (especially in the 2nd half) which killed us. While i think our midfielders either need to do better or we need better people in there to get the job done, today i felt our Ruckman let us down. We clearly won the tap outs but with Ruckman jumping early and hitting the ground while getting the hitout any advantage was negated. The ball hardly ever went to advantage and simply became neutral. How can any midfielder read a tap out when they (ruckman) themselves don't know where its going. Learn the caper of Ruckwork please.

6. Clangers. We made some shockers and while so did Carlstink (they were 32-33) they made us pay more. We need to firstly reduce these and secondly hurt the opposition more when they stuff up.

7. Game plan. This is where Carlstink killed us. Simply they were direct and (in the 2nd half) we were indirect. We had plenty more of the pill but chipped it via the cape while Carlstink went direct though the centre and long. That is why they killed us with "Inside 50's". Why???????????? we play so much better going direct and taking on the opposition. please stop this and give our forwards a better chance.

there were positives today: Moore, Cleve, Mitch, Cotch, Jordo.

but also negatives: Patto, Simmo, Browny, Polak, Jack, Axel (on Stevens), Hyde, Rich, Richo (getting inj.).

I can't see finals at all (too many things need to go right & we're not good enough).

ITS TIME TO SEE WHO'S GONNA MAKE IT & WHO'S NOT!!!!!

Nice post Tiger_Shark.

I agree with most of what you have posted here. For me, some pessimism crept in when I first arrived at the ground and heard that King was in for Thursfield. This was in the obvious context of a small defender replacing a taller superior defender.

I don't know if I am over simplifying this, but by playing direct and aggressive football would have got the team over the line yesterday. We had a lot to play for – centenary celebration match, 3 wins in a row, another step towards the eight, the joy of defeating Carlton (always a major plus with me!), the fact that there was going to be a break and rest next week, continuing confidence building for the younger players, knowing we are coming up against the West Coast Eagles who are having a horrible run at present etc.

For three quarters of the game I watched with bated breath and knew that the fall of the ball was favouring Carlton (read lucky bounce or whatever here) and when they hit the front we just didn’t have the run nor leadership to take it back again and show who the superior team out there was.

That loss put me in a ghastly mood for the rest of yesterday and now I have to sit through all the spin that will come the supporters way until the dust settles again when we play the West Coast Eagles (won’t that be great with the boys going into that game with a head full of steam…not!)

In my opinion, keep trying other players out, there are at least 3 – 4 who may make a difference to how this team is going to be shaped in 2009 and beyond.

 

[hopper]

I agree Schulz shuld have come in for Thursty. Would have allowed Riewoldt to play forward where he's at his creative best.

 

[tigertekka]

For three quarters of the game I watched with bated breath and knew that the fall of the ball was favouring Carlton (read lucky bounce or whatever here) and when they hit the front we just didn’t have the run nor leadership to take it back again and show who the superior team out there was.




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I think that you hit the nail right on the head T G when the game was there to be won Stevens stood up and made the contested ball his,our mids with the exception of Cotchin who had a good game and Tuck who tried his guts out all day couldn't make the statement even on this very special occasion , I know our captain was coming back from injury but he is supposed to be the Leader out there , we have no older players
(other than Richo injured and Brownie bad game ) who can impose themselves on the game ,and you will never win the big games against teams of equal or better talent without that

 

[barty boy]

I must admit that yesterday for the first time in TWs reign I lost hope.The style of game we played yesterday had DEFEAT written on it from the word go.There was no urgency about our game at all.Carlton ran the ball out of the backline quickly whereas we ran it out out looking like browns cows.
just very disappointed in the team yesterday and probably sums up where we are as a club ................NOWHERE

 

[KnightersRevenge]

In a word, WALLACE.

At some point he is going to have to actually DO something on game day. He sets his match-ups during the week and then lets the game play out on Saturday without any spark or dynamism to his coaching.

Fair enough Tiger Brown had bad day, but he was matched up on a bloke much taller and we were trying to catch him on the lead....why wasn't a change made in the coaches box to try and improve this match-up?

Cleve was way up the ground - clearly under instructions. He is a natural marking forward and did his best work close to goal last week. What was he doing so far up the ground most of the day?

Carlscum were obviously instructed to keep Morton away from goal so his man kept pushing up the ground. Whenever Mitch tried to go the other way he got bumped from pillar to post on his way to the forward line. His progress was impeded every time. Why didn't the instruction come from the box to help him out?

Well Wallace?

 

[gustiger12]

I must admit that yesterday for the first time in TWs reign I lost hope.The style of game we played yesterday had DEFEAT written on it from the word go.There was no urgency about our game at all.Carlton ran the ball out of the backline quickly whereas we ran it out out looking like browns cows.
just very disappointed in the team yesterday and probably sums up where we are as a club ................NOWHERE

Have to agree seemed to be on the back foot from the outset. Even in his prematch comments he went on about not overwhelming the group........fire em up and let em go for it. They come of a nine goal first quarter against Port and you are worried about overwhelming them...thank god for the swear filter....

 

[Dyer'ere]

I think the head-to-head contests were a big part of the problem.

NGB was absolutely hammered by Carazzo giving Carlton a spare man far too often. At no stage was NGB able to stem the flow.

Nick Stevens destroyed Nathan Foley at crucial stages of the game.

Tuck was ordinary but IMO beat Bentick. And the half fit skipper, Sugar, blitzed the impostor Kade Simpson.

I don't believe that Deledio was blameworthy in our loss. But his game on Gibbs was by no means his best. In the first quarter Lids beat his rival man-on-man twice and ran around on his own gathering ten possessions. Many of these were inside the defensive arc and his forays forward were often uncharacteristically off beam.

Gibbs was very constructive forward of centre in the second while Lids was quiet. The Blue beat Lids man-on-man once and was in front in the duel at half time IMO. I'll have a look at the second half later. Gibbs kicked three after quarter time.

Polo was getting help from the other mids on Murphy. As many will have noted MM has slaughtered a bunch of leather this season and Saturday was no exception. Murphy finished in front IMO.

Scotland beat White (who had a stint on... Whatsisname too).

At an early stage of the match Cotchin had IIRC four goal assists. He faded in the second half. He twice beat three. Had he played four quarters like his first it would have been one of the best games played by anybody ever.

I'm not finished reviewing the midfield matchups but without seeing the game again I can tell you that Bling was less than useful.

Carlton had 62 inside 50s and had 30 odd shots. Our defence was not the problem, flooded as it was. But as usual our midfield was well beaten on the day.

 

[IanG]

Why was Tuck on Bentick?

 

[HellsTiger]

Their total points were superior to ours after the alotted 4 timed periods.

 

[feisty tige]

From the outset it looked like Carlton were hungrier and they ended up winning, after thinking about it for a few minutes, that is about the crux of it. They fought and fought and won.

It doesn't really matter who is on who to some extent, we were in front for 3 quarters and not in the fourth.

 

[ZeroGame]

I don't believe that Deledio was blameworthy in our loss. But his game on Gibbs was by no means his best. In the first quarter Lids beat his rival man-on-man twice and ran around on his own gathering ten possessions. Many of these were inside the defensive arc and his forays forward were often uncharacteristically off beam.

Gibbs was very constructive forward of centre in the second while Lids was quiet. The Blue beat Lids man-on-man once and was in front in the duel at half time IMO. I'll have a look at the second half later. Gibbs kicked three after quarter time.

Gibbs wasn't on Deledio for most of the 2nd half. He was interviewed after the game and commented that Lids took him to the cleaners in the first half and then after half time Ratten freed him up and he managed to get back into the game and have an impact.

 

[In the Blood]

Their total points were superior to ours after the alotted 4 timed periods.

:rofl