Will Thursfield - Beefed up!

[Tigers of Old]

Disagree. The way the game is now I think you'd find Moore and Thurstfield swapping and changing on different types of players. Thurstfield takes the more stay at home types, Moore the more mobile ones. Fullback/CHB gets mixed up and played differently now in most cases.

Thursty definitely stays at home.
I like the lad but encouraging him to run as bob suggested isn't his natural game.
Not saying he isn't capable of it but he hasn't shown it to date.
Ideally you have a player at FB like Lake or Scarlett that can also run off and this is clearly the thinking of Wallace too hence his preference for the other defenders atm.
Good luck to Wil in getting back in the side. The competition is healthy.

 

[Tigerbob]

I'd argue this.
I think Moore took most of the key jobs last season on the big forwards.
I think Thursty's migrated a little.

Moore, Thursfield and McGuane are capable of being flexible within structures that's true, but, in terms of the position of Full Back in the old sense of the term, Thursfield is definitely it.

Against the traditional Full Forward types like Fevola, Llyod, Hall, Bradshaw etc, I would have Thursty on them before the other two just for his spoiling ability on a lead, his closing speed and discipline.

He is playing well for Coburg, I think it's about time we bring him in to the seniors.

 

[Tigerbob]

Thursty definitely stays at home.
I like the lad but encouraging him to run as bob suggested isn't his natural game.
Not saying he isn't capable of it but he hasn't shown it to date.
Ideally you have a player at FB like Lake or Scarlett that can also run off and this is clearly the thinking of Wallace atm too hence his preference for the other defenders atm.

It's not his natural game, but watching him for Coburg and listening to Jade Rawlings he is definitely capable.

In fact I think it is purely a confidence thing with Will, and as he starts to come out of his shell for it, hopefully the confidence grows and we see this new side to his game.

If not I am more than satisfied with what he is capable of.

 

[Tigers of Old]

in terms of the position of Full Back in the old sense of the term, Thursfield is definitely it.

Think that you've pretty well nailed it right there bobby. I'm not so sure that type is as relevant as it once was.
How many Full Forwards are there now?
As forward line structures become more mobile, so too do backlines need to be to counter it.

It's not his natural game, but watching him for Coburg and listening to Jade Rawlings he is definitely capable.
In fact I think it is purely a confidence thing with Will

Like I said good luck to him. Wil's no dud.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

What has King done wrong IYO?

Well as i named Wallace (as Head Coach) and King (Backline Coach) I more meant the way they work together.

Take for instance Schulz, King wants him in the backline because he is a good kick, forwards have wanted him in the forward line when he kicks 7 goals at Coburg.

Where is the consistency/development and solid gelling that is required for backlines.

Our defense was at it's best when we played our back 3 solid and roughly had the same people around them consistently. Now we're back to chopping and changing in pre-season which is fine but also in games and the first round no less. Thurstfield starting on a bench, Schulz starting forward and then being whipped back.

Develop your kids, give them clear instructions and let them grow into the roles. We seem to be moving some of them around like chessboard pieces hoping they click into a square.

If young players don't know what is required of them early it can play havoc with their form/development and then subsequently confidence and becomes a vicicious circle.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Well as i named Wallace (as Head Coach) and King (Backline Coach) I more meant the way they work together.

Take for instance Schulz, King wants him in the backline because he is a good kick, forwards have wanted him in the forward line when he kicks 7 goals at Coburg.

Where is the consistency/development and solid gelling that is required for backlines.

Our defense was at it's best when we played our back 3 solid and roughly had the same people around them consistently. Now we're back to chopping and changing in pre-season which is fine but also in games and the first round no less. Thurstfield starting on a bench, Schulz starting forward and then being whipped back.

Develop your kids, give them clear instructions and let them grow into the roles. We seem to be moving some of them around like chessboard pieces hoping they click into a square.

If young players don't know what is required of them early it can play havoc with their form/development and then subsequently confidence and becomes a vicicious circle.

Good discussion lads.

Sarge’ above average disposal gives him potential to play as a 3rd back , but right now he gets beaten too often in the air defensively. If he’d had a longer, settled run at CHB would he have time to improve that aspect of his game? Maybe, but it’s too late because Rance has gone past him and Willy T is waiting in the wings.

Sarge is back to playing 2-3rd tall forward to stay in the AFL, can he do it? History says no, talent says yes.

 

[josey]

Thursfield is and should be our full back.

Simple.

Best structures should be in place and to me that has a settled backline with Thursfield as our Full Back.

He definitely should be brought in this week to maintain the guy that normally does well against us in Micky O.

Thursfield is prodominately a stopper, but, he is a good kick of the football and should be encouraged to take the game on more.

I agree Thursty is a good stopper, but I wonder who is he meant to replace?

At the moment McGuane, Moore, Rance and Bowden have been playing down back. Probably a little top heavy as it is.

Mostly McGuane has been playing on the No 1 forward. Is he holding Thursty's spot?

A good position to be in IMO. Competition for spots creates better performance.

 

[Leysy Days]

Forget about CHB's Col. The only CHF's these days are your smaller leadup players.

Heck Pettifer played CHF for us for two years. O'Keefe for instance has been the closest thing to a CHF Sydney have had over the past few years. (& played it very well).

Think that you've pretty well nailed it right there bobby. I'm not so sure that type is as relevant as it once was.
How many Full Forwards are there now?
As forward line structures become more mobile, so too do backlines need to be to counter it.

Like I said good luck to him. Wil's no dud.

Leysy had a barrage of people arguing against him on here in the off-season for telling everyone that pace is the key ingredient in a key back in todays football. Strength just isn't as important in that role anymore. Combine the strategies of coaches to create space for leadup targets with the new rules & this was always going to be the case.

For example, a major reason for our success last week was because North went in way too top heavy. All we needed to do was negate in the air against Petrie, Hale, Edwards & Co & then run off at will. (pardon the pun ya funny bigger leysy). ;D

Thursty isn't getting a game purely because of team balance ILO. This was shown by Wallet having no matchup against Carlton for him. Not sure why he played. :headscratch.

We simply don't need another key back in the side. As bad as we've been NO key forward has got hold of us for well over a year now. Heck a leadup player like Brad Miller had probably done best against us & even then he only kicked 3.

He's is a good player is young Thursfield, but his chances are going to be limited whilst McGuane & Moore play where they are suited & keep handling the key forwards or he adds some run to his game. He is a neat kick. Leysy hasn't had a chance to catch Coburg this year, but hopefully they are playing him away from his comfort zone further out from goal & are instructing to run off & create at every chance.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Forget about CHB's Col. The only CHF's these days are your smaller leadup players.

Heck Pettifer played CHF for us for two years. O'Keefe for instance has been the closest thing to a CHF Sydney have had over the past few years. (& played it very well).

Leysy had a barrage of people arguing against him on here in the off-season for telling everyone that pace is the key ingredient in a key back in todays football. Strength just isn't as important in that role anymore. Combine the strategies of coaches to create space for leadup targets with the new rules & this was always going to be the case.

For example, a major reason for our success last week was because North went in way too top heavy. All we needed to do was negate in the air against Petrie, Hale, Edwards & Co & then run off at will. (pardon the pun ya funny bigger leysy). ;D

Thursty isn't getting a game purely because of team balance ILO. This was shown by Wallet having no matchup against Carlton for him. Not sure why he played. :headscratch.

We simply don't need another key back in the side. As bad as we've been NO key forward has got hold of us for well over a year now. Heck a leadup player like Brad Miller had probably done best against us & even then he only kicked 3.

I remember generally agreeing at the time, I just can’t buy into the idea that in the hierarchy of need of Richmond’s many needs adding a gorilla KPP defender is anywhere near the top. If any team could make us pay for being light down back it was North, and they didn't.

 

[Willo]

Can Will play forward? Seems we're still to unearth another young tall to complement Jack.
Just remembering how they tried Tucky in different possies, it was only by accident in a preseason trial that Tuck played on the ball and the coaching staff were surprised by how well he did
Time to think outside the square a bit rather than just pigeon hole a young player. Give him some games up forward for the Burgers, see how he does.

 

[geoffryprettyboy]

Well MB ud almost think so by going by this pic, click on link...

http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20081109165009ki8.jpg

Muscles? Where's the muscles?

Too bad this kid was struck down with his horrific injury, I think his battle is more of a mental & confidence issue.

 

[the claw]

lol at this thread. we dont have a fb the two who are most cpable of playing there are nothing more than a flanker and a skinny third tall option who gives nothing else. are both worthy of keeping damn right but lets not talk structure and include these two in the key defensive posts. its laughable the way we structure up and its even more funny that people want to do nothing to change it or get better. yeah your mcguanes thursfields moores can do a job in the key posts for ya but bloody hell you have your head up your arse if you think its the ideal or even the way to go.