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tigersnake said:
so far this season the St K game is, inarguably, not an accurate reflection of where we're at, but an outlier. It might not be the the case at season's end, you may get your wish and get flogged a few more times and you are proven right.

Inarguably????????????

So the beating that we suffered by Adelaide oh another outlier and the small margins over bottom teams more outliers?
 
JB you are spot on there.

BUT the captain is driven by the ethos of the coach.

Uncompromising coach/uncompromising captain.

They work hand in hand.

I'm going Sunday to the game to see how they respond LIVE not watching the game on TV.
 
Boys, lets stick together. Great to have opinions and to share them. Lets not argue between ourselves, lets devote our energies in positive thoughts about the club. Can you both list 5 goods things this season?
 
No 4 said:
Boys, lets stick together. Great to have opinions and to share them. Lets not argue between ourselves, lets devote our energies in positive thoughts about the club. Can you both list 5 goods things this season?

Come on mate don't be sexist.

Debate is healthy. I will happily debate you on that .

1. Moving ball faster and in a forward direction - mostly
2. Moving ball quickly to one-on-ones in forward half
3. Butler
4. Nank
5.
 
Merveille said:
Come on mate don't be sexist.

Debate is healthy. I will happily debate you on that .

1. Moving ball faster and in a forward direction - mostly
2. Moving ball quickly to one-on-ones in forward half
3. Butler
4. Nank
5.

Oh yeah

5. Less coralling. Attacking and hunting the ball carrier
 
yandb said:
Inarguably????????????

So the beating that we suffered by Adelaide oh another outlier and the small margins over bottom teams more outliers?

You've answered you own question there ynb. Two very bad results in a season are outliers, yes.

Close results either way for the rest of the season are not outliers. They say we are very competitive most games, we won't win by much, but we won't lose by much either. A ten goal win would also be an outlier result.

This tells me coach and team are mostly doing a good job each week given our structural deficiences.
 
antman said:
You've answered you own question there ynb. Two very bad results in a season are outliers, yes.

Close results either way for the rest of the season are not outliers. They say we are very competitive most games, we won't win by much, but we won't lose by much either. A ten goal win would also be an outlier result.

This tells me coach and team are mostly doing a good job each week given our structural deficiences.
How many big losses are we allowed before they are not classified as outliers?
 
jb03 said:
How many big losses are we allowed before they are not classified as outliers?

In a season of 23 games, more than 2-3 and you'd start to consider them as part of regular set of results I'd say.

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antman said:
You've answered you own question there ynb. Two very bad results in a season are outliers, yes.

Close results either way for the rest of the season are not outliers. They say we are very competitive most games, we won't win by much, but we won't lose by much either. A ten goal win would also be an outlier result.

This tells me coach and team are mostly doing a good job each week given our structural deficiences.

Education is a very slow process Antman
 
jb03 said:
If you haven't seen it, suggest you read The Captain's Class by Sam Walker. He researched the greatest teams of any sport over the last hundred years and found the common link was the captain, a specific type of captain.
Thanks jb03 - Great captains are like hens teeth no doubt but great sides and clubs don't exist without them. In creating this thread I wanted a focus on 2 aspects of any sporting club that goes a long way to determining the success of the club. CULTURE and LEADERSHIP. A floundering, playing catch-up culture does not and never will locate and install the type of leadership that Hawthorn, for example, has enjoyed for many years; the results of which are there for all to drool over with envy - even Tiger supporters. And you can go back to the 80's with Mathews leading them and the successes that club enjoyed then.

In the beginning of this thread I wrote in part, "The RFC has not produced anybody like a Luke Hodge in 4 generations and the culture today would not permit the next Luke Hodge to walk through the doors at Punt Rd anyway!!!" I believe this to be true because we have a CEO and president obsessed with their concepts of "stability" and a moribund, one dimensional coach obsessed with his "processes" who collectively would not recruit the next Luke Hodge - even if he came up and bit them on the ar!!e.

Great captains lead from the front; never stop marshaling their troops on the field and their intensity never wanes during a game. I have seen those exact same qualities in Hodge that guided the Hawks to great success and having spent most of the last 30 years living in Italy and being a Milanista I watched the rise and rise of Franco Baresi steer Milan to unparalleled success - but not before the club brought in a ruthless president and a visionary coach in Sacchi. The culture was radically changed and the leadership flourished and the rest they say is history.

Richmond desperately needs a change of culture from within those 4 walls – the existing culture will be tested this Sunday as we watch to see how our side responds to a complete capitulation against the Saints last week! And for all you armchair theorists who love the sound of your own thoughts - it's not just the number of games you lose in a season; the fewer the better of course. It's the manner in which you loose and what I saw last Saturday was a footballing disgrace!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7gqoHDwgQM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zwGmbTMs
 
Tigerdangerous said:
would not recruit the next Luke Hodge - even if he came up and bit them on the ar!!e.

maybe not, but he'd be a shoe in for a secretarial role at AFL house.
 
Tigerdangerous said:
Thanks jb03 - Great captains are like hens teeth no doubt but great sides and clubs don't exist without them. In creating this thread I wanted a focus on 2 aspects of any sporting club that goes a long way to determining the success of the club. CULTURE and LEADERSHIP. A floundering, playing catch-up culture does not and never will locate and install the type of leadership that Hawthorn, for example, has enjoyed for many years; the results of which are there for all to drool over with envy - even Tiger supporters. And you can go back to the 80's with Mathews leading them and the successes that club enjoyed then.

In the beginning of this thread I wrote in part, "The RFC has not produced anybody like a Luke Hodge in 4 generations and the culture today would not permit the next Luke Hodge to walk through the doors at Punt Rd anyway!!!" I believe this to be true because we have a CEO and president obsessed with their concepts of "stability" and a moribund, one dimensional coach obsessed with his "processes" who collectively would not recruit the next Luke Hodge - even if he came up and bit them on the ar!!e.

Great captains lead from the front; never stop marshaling their troops on the field and their intensity never wanes during a game. I have seen those exact same qualities in Hodge that guided the Hawks to great success and having spent most of the last 30 years living in Italy and being a Milanista I watched the rise and rise of Franco Baresi steer Milan to unparalleled success - but not before the club brought in a ruthless president and a visionary coach in Sacchi. The culture was radically changed and the leadership flourished and the rest they say is history.

Richmond desperately needs a change of culture from within those 4 walls – the existing culture will be tested this Sunday as we watch to see how our side responds to a complete capitulation against the Saints last week! And for all you armchair theorists who love the sound of your own thoughts - it's not just the number of games you lose in a season; the fewer the better of course. It's the manner in which you loose and what I saw last Saturday was a footballing disgrace!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7gqoHDwgQM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zwGmbTMs

Say we've got a process-driven coach and a stability-oriented CEO. How exactly does that handcuff the recruiting team from recruiting a Luke Hodge?
 
123kid said:
Say we've got a process-driven coach and a stability-oriented CEO. How exactly does that handcuff the recruiting team from recruiting a Luke Hodge?

handcuffs, arse-biting. Hodgey gets himself a polo pony and liquid paper his name on a Xavier report and he could run the AFL
 
123kid said:
Say we've got a process-driven coach and a stability-oriented CEO. How exactly does that handcuff the recruiting team from recruiting a Luke Hodge?
I suggest you read the bit about the club culture which reflects on all departments - even blind Freddy would have to admit that our recruiting team have been less than inspiring and yet to the best of my knowledge the main incumbents are still in place. And they are in place because of the culture at the RFC. And yes they would be blind to the next Luke Hodge!
 
Lack of intensity, playing consistently dumb footy, without one of our leaders taking the game by the scruff of the neck, yet, and you might ask yourselves exactly what did the Tigers do within their 4 walls to prepare for this game after their non performance last week???